Recommendation for Opening against 1...e5

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Yereslov
Randomemory wrote:
Psalm25 wrote:

You're saying a gambit has been refuted because you haven't lost a game by employing the alleged refutation? Are you trolling? Hard to believe you're serious. If you used 2)...Qh4+ in a King's Gambit game against a GM or IM, you would expect to win? If not, then the gambit hasn't been refuted. You just need to play stronger opponents

Pfren and Expertise87 mutually agree that he is dumb.

Expertise87, and everyone else but pfren mutually agree that he is a troll, please don't feed him.

I'm not trolling, though. I see you are in love with ad hominems.

2...Qh4+ is a very good line, and the type of line that destroys any chance of attack from white.

I would trust the opinion of a GM over your estimation of the position.

And the opinion of a 1500+ rated player is worthless in these types of positions.

Yereslov
shepi13 wrote:
Yereslov wrote:

I'm pretty sure someone rated 2300-2500, and especially someone of his standing would not make such a bold claim without some analysis to back it up.

The idea is that this pawn formation is much better for black.

 



Well, I wonder why white is winning that position then. Or is your weak rybka telling you black is winning?

Rybka is always in favor of white in the openings. I suggest you study the position.

Yereslov
waffllemaster wrote:
Recommendation for Opening against 1...e5

1.d4 is probably best as after 1...e5 you win a pawn.

1.Nf3 is worth considering too.

That's like saying 1. e4 is good because after 1...d5 you win a pawn.

You can say that about any opening.

1. d4 has the more complex variations e.g. KID, Queens Gambit, Reti, Benoni.

The Scotch Game for example is mostly forced, and anyone can play The Four Knights Variation.

Psalm25

If this GM (what's his name?) really believes 2)...Qh4+ refutes the King's Gambit, he ought to write a book explaining why. I'm sure it would be a good seller and various chess publishers would be interested in it.

Even Fischer couldn't refute the King's Gambit after he lost to Spassky, and Fischer, who was rated well above the player you're referencing, didn't recommend 2)...Qh4+ check as the refutation. Surely, a former World Champion's opinion is worth more than the player you're citing

Psalm25

The rating of the GM you're citing, Yereslov, is 2300 to 2500 in one post and then 2500+ in another post. Do you know his actual rating? What is his name?

blasterdragon

i think that the KG is playable at low level but at higher levels they will either accept the gambit and defend well, play the Falkbear/Nimzovitch counter gambit, or just decline the gambit with d6 which is my favourite way to play against the KG

Expertise87

Lol, this guy thinks the Scandinavian loses a pawn. Better not tell Anand or ponz!

Yereslov wrote:

waffllemaster wrote:

Recommendation for Opening against 1...e5

1.d4 is probably best as after 1...e5 you win a pawn.

1.Nf3 is worth considering too.

That's like saying 1. e4 is good because after 1...d5 you win a pawn.

You can say that about any opening.

1. d4 has the more complex variations e.g. KID, Queens Gambit, Reti, Benoni.

The Scotch Game for example is mostly forced, and anyone can play The Four Knights Variation.

Expertise87

Also good to know that the Reti is a 1.d4 line.....

InfiniteFlash
Expertise87 wrote:

Also good to know that the Reti is a 1.d4 line.....

lmao, i just noticed that (reti is with 1.nf3 and 2.c4/2.g3)

macer75
batgirl

The Ruy Lopez is probably the sanest course, but I can never resist playing the KG.  Win or lose, I always enjoy it.

Sam97

Macer's line is what I play... Centralize your king is our mantra!

kantifields

For a sub1600 player, the Ponziani would be very good.  Pretty easy study (not as simple as a couple of people in this thread claim), and studying is required for all oppenings if you are playing to win.

That opening will get you many quick wins at the 1200-1600 range.  Above 1800 you will not get to play it as much because 1800-2200 don't play 1...e5 very often.  By the time you are playing above 2200 you won't need this thread to help you figure what opening to play.

segway123

I am a huge fan of the Italian game. If you want to be aggressive you can play the max lange or the evans gambit

If you want to play more safe you can play:

I personally play the Giuoco Pianissimo and the Max Lange attack, also good is the Giuoco Piano.

btw: dont listen to Yereslov, he is a fool.

Expertise87

There is something wrong with 5.O-O in your second game - you're down a pawn for insufficient compensation. Much better is 5.Nxe4 d5 6.Bd3 with chances for edge although probably just an equal position.

DazedKnight
Psalm25 wrote:

Best and most exciting opening in response to 1) e4 and 1)...e5 is the King's Gambit, 2) f4. A lot of people don't know it and it's easy to fall into a bad position with black if the white player is booked up on it. I've never played a dull King's Gambit game. If you don't like tactics, probably best to avoid, though

Couldn't agree more!



Suvel

scotch

segway123

Expertise87, did you look at the rest of the sample, white does get the pawn back, although 5.Nxe4 and 6.Bd3 might be better by a molecule, after 6...f4 things arent as clear as the line that I showed.

Expertise87

6.Bd3 f4 is illegal. 5.Nxe4 d5 6.Bd3 f5 7.Nc3 e4 8.Bb5 exf3 9.Qxf3 looks good for White to me.

5.O-O Nxc3 6.dxc3 Be7 7.Qd5 O-O 8.Nxe5 Nxe5 9.Qxe5 as posted in your line does not give White any advantage at all - Black can just play d6, c6, Re8, d5 with a nice position. Also 6...h6 7.Qd5 Qf6 8.Re1 d6 9.Bb5 Bd7 makes you find 10.Nd4 which may not be so easy for the players you're recommending this line to, and it's also no better for White at all.

Saying White has a very easy game when in fact Black has already at least equalized and White is the one with something to prove is not a good way to promote an opening.

blasterdragon