Recommendation for Opening against 1...e5

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blasterdragon
Expertise87

6.Bb5 is another move that's not very good, thanks for sharing.

TitanCG

Maybe you would like the Ruy Lopez with an early d3? 

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chesscollection?cid=1009549

 

The games are ordered so you can see how play changed over time which is pretty cool.

InfiniteFlash
TitanCG wrote:

Maybe you would like the Ruy Lopez with an early d3? 

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chesscollection?cid=1009549

 

The games are ordered so you can see how play changed over time which is pretty cool.

Yes, the 4.d3 systems are very popular these days. White says I dont give two craps about an opening advantage really, he plays for long term play on the kingside with Nd2-c4/f1-e3-f5, tbh white is a little preferable in these setups.

zjablow1
TitanCG wrote:

Maybe you would like the Ruy Lopez with an early d3? 

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chesscollection?cid=1009549

 

The games are ordered so you can see how play changed over time which is pretty cool.

Thank you for the advice I have been using a book to study some d3 lines in the Ruy Lopez

Psalm25

Did you follow that up with 3) Qf3 or Qh5?

pfren

Scotch four knights for new players, plain Scotch for later.

Although (IMO) the only real challenge to 1...e5! is the Ruy Lopez.

Studying the Ruy will not elevate your rating, at least short-term. However, it will definitely make you a better player- the positions to study are a real chess school- incredibly rich strategically, yet full of unexpected tactics.

The King's gambit is an opening from the past- Black has about one dozen ways towards a comfortable game.

Likhit1
pfren wrote:

Scotch four knights for new players, plain Scotch for later.

Although (IMO) the only real challenge to 1...e5! is the Ruy Lopez.

Studying the Ruy will not elevate your rating, at least short-term. However, it will definitely make you a better player- the positions to study are a real chess school- incredibly rich strategically, yet full of unexpected tactics.

The King's gambit is an opening from the past- Black has about one dozen ways towards a comfortable game.

I've always liked playing the Ruy but the Marshall Gambit just gives black a dangerous attack and even if the attack is stopped,black gets a very nice game.Do you think the marshall should be avoided with say a4 or should it be allowed and white just has to contain the attack.

moonnie

It is easy to avoid the Marshall. When i play e4 I normaly play 8. h3.

Also there are quite a few good ways to play with white against the Marshall that might be drawn at GM level but are really no fun to defend with black where with white you either win or draw with 0 chances of losing. This actually is the reason i switched to Berlin where with black at amateur level you have much more chances to outplay your oponent.

Though the scotch is perfectly playable it is the opening i am most happy to face of the serious 3 (together with the d3 Italian and the Ruy Lopez). Perhaps this is because the positions from the Scotch are more concrete then the Italian and Ruy Lopez setups meaning that i have less chances to make mistakes.

Personally i dislike the d3 Italian systems most as black. This is because white is saying. I do not need to maximize my advantage but my plan is solid good luck playing against it in a long grinding game. Ruy Lopez players are generally more theory minded and they do weird stuff to avoid the berlin defence.

Likhit1
moonnie wrote:

It is easy to avoid the Marshall. When i play e4 I normaly play 8. h3.

Also there are quite a few good ways to play with white against the Marshall that might be drawn at GM level but are really no fun to defend with black where with white you either win or draw with 0 chances of losing. This actually is the reason i switched to Berlin where with black at amateur level you have much more chances to outplay your oponent.

Though the scotch is perfectly playable it is the opening i am most happy to face of the serious 3 (together with the d3 Italian and the Ruy Lopez). Perhaps this is because the positions from the Scotch are more concrete then the Italian and Ruy Lopez setups meaning that i have less chances to make mistakes.

Personally i dislike the d3 Italian systems most as black. This is because white is saying. I do not need to maximize my advantage but my plan is solid good luck playing against it in a long grinding game. Ruy Lopez players are generally more theory minded and they do weird stuff to avoid the berlin defence.

Thnx for the advice on the Marshall.Smile

GreedyPawnGrabber

King's Gambit

Expertise87
moonnie wrote:

It is easy to avoid the Marshall. When i play e4 I normaly play 8. h3.

Also there are quite a few good ways to play with white against the Marshall that might be drawn at GM level but are really no fun to defend with black where with white you either win or draw with 0 chances of losing. This actually is the reason i switched to Berlin where with black at amateur level you have much more chances to outplay your oponent.

Though the scotch is perfectly playable it is the opening i am most happy to face of the serious 3 (together with the d3 Italian and the Ruy Lopez). Perhaps this is because the positions from the Scotch are more concrete then the Italian and Ruy Lopez setups meaning that i have less chances to make mistakes.

Personally i dislike the d3 Italian systems most as black. This is because white is saying. I do not need to maximize my advantage but my plan is solid good luck playing against it in a long grinding game. Ruy Lopez players are generally more theory minded and they do weird stuff to avoid the berlin defence.

I really don't like 8.h3 for White, Black has a number of routes to a good game without transposing back into normal Spanish lines.

I really do like playing Black against d3 Italians. I just castle and play d5.

pfren

8.h3 is probably the easiest Anti-Marshall to meet, as Black.

More than two dozen other top class games, where Black had zero problems following the same variation (11...Nxe5! 12.Rxe5 Qd6).

moonnie

Well black probably has 3 answers to h3

1) d6 will transpose to normal Spanish

2) Bb7 + d6 is also a decent setup but after d3 and a3 white should keep his traditional Spanish torture advantage and specially at amateur level this is something marshall players wish to avoid 

2) Bb7+d5 will not transpose to normal Spanish lines and is probably the best independend answer but white should still be slightly lightly better in these positions and the positions have a lot of potential  

Likhit1
pfren wrote:

8.h3 is probably the easiest Anti-Marshall to meet, as Black.

 

More than two dozen other top class games, where Black had zero problems following the same variation (11...Nxe5! 12.Rxe5 Qd6).

So,are a4 or d3 the only good anti marshalls?

pfren

No. The best Anti-Marshall is most probably the Yates (8.d4 d6 9.c3 Bg4 10.Be3) where chances are equal, but the play is lively.

8.a4 is a scaled-down 6.d3 Spanish (white has commited himself to Rf1-e1 a tad too early), while 8.d3 is even more harmless.

Likhit1
chesslover1995 wrote:
pfren wrote:

No. The best Anti-Marshall is most probably the Yates (8.d4 d6 9.c3 Bg4 10.Be3) where chances are equal, but the play is lively.

8.a4 is a scaled-down 6.d3 Spanish (white has commited himself to Rf1-e1 a tad too early), while 8.d3 is even more harmless.

The bearded wonder makes yet another appearance:

 

You are so pathetic!Because your chess knowledge is no match for his,u r making comments on his appearance!You are really lame.

pfren
Likhit1 wrote:

You are so pathetic!Because your chess knowledge is no match for his,u r making comments on his appearance!You are really lame.

No, he isn't lame. Just an ignorant goofy, rated some 400 points below my cat.

ShyamGopal
chesslover1995 wrote:
pfren wrote:

No. The best Anti-Marshall is most probably the Yates (8.d4 d6 9.c3 Bg4 10.Be3) where chances are equal, but the play is lively.

8.a4 is a scaled-down 6.d3 Spanish (white has commited himself to Rf1-e1 a tad too early), while 8.d3 is even more harmless.

The bearded wonder makes yet another appearance:

 

The brainless wonder makes another appearance.

zjablow1
pfren wrote:

Scotch four knights for new players, plain Scotch for later.

Although (IMO) the only real challenge to 1...e5! is the Ruy Lopez.

Studying the Ruy will not elevate your rating, at least short-term. However, it will definitely make you a better player- the positions to study are a real chess school- incredibly rich strategically, yet full of unexpected tactics.

The King's gambit is an opening from the past- Black has about one dozen ways towards a comfortable game.

Thank you for the advice. I have started studying the Ruy Lopez