Maybe you would like the Ruy Lopez with an early d3?
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chesscollection?cid=1009549
The games are ordered so you can see how play changed over time which is pretty cool.
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TitanCG wrote:
Maybe you would like the Ruy Lopez with an early d3?
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chesscollection?cid=1009549
The games are ordered so you can see how play changed over time which is pretty cool.
Yes, the 4.d3 systems are very popular these days. White says I dont give two craps about an opening advantage really, he plays for long term play on the kingside with Nd2-c4/f1-e3-f5, tbh white is a little preferable in these setups.
TitanCG wrote:
Maybe you would like the Ruy Lopez with an early d3?
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chesscollection?cid=1009549
The games are ordered so you can see how play changed over time which is pretty cool.
Thank you for the advice I have been using a book to study some d3 lines in the Ruy Lopez
Did you follow that up with 3) Qf3 or Qh5?
pfren wrote:
Scotch four knights for new players, plain Scotch for later.
Although (IMO) the only real challenge to 1...e5! is the Ruy Lopez.
Studying the Ruy will not elevate your rating, at least short-term. However, it will definitely make you a better player- the positions to study are a real chess school- incredibly rich strategically, yet full of unexpected tactics.
The King's gambit is an opening from the past- Black has about one dozen ways towards a comfortable game.
I've always liked playing the Ruy but the Marshall Gambit just gives black a dangerous attack and even if the attack is stopped,black gets a very nice game.Do you think the marshall should be avoided with say a4 or should it be allowed and white just has to contain the attack.
It is easy to avoid the Marshall. When i play e4 I normaly play 8. h3.
Also there are quite a few good ways to play with white against the Marshall that might be drawn at GM level but are really no fun to defend with black where with white you either win or draw with 0 chances of losing. This actually is the reason i switched to Berlin where with black at amateur level you have much more chances to outplay your oponent.
Though the scotch is perfectly playable it is the opening i am most happy to face of the serious 3 (together with the d3 Italian and the Ruy Lopez). Perhaps this is because the positions from the Scotch are more concrete then the Italian and Ruy Lopez setups meaning that i have less chances to make mistakes.
Personally i dislike the d3 Italian systems most as black. This is because white is saying. I do not need to maximize my advantage but my plan is solid good luck playing against it in a long grinding game. Ruy Lopez players are generally more theory minded and they do weird stuff to avoid the berlin defence.
moonnie wrote:
It is easy to avoid the Marshall. When i play e4 I normaly play 8. h3.
Also there are quite a few good ways to play with white against the Marshall that might be drawn at GM level but are really no fun to defend with black where with white you either win or draw with 0 chances of losing. This actually is the reason i switched to Berlin where with black at amateur level you have much more chances to outplay your oponent.
Though the scotch is perfectly playable it is the opening i am most happy to face of the serious 3 (together with the d3 Italian and the Ruy Lopez). Perhaps this is because the positions from the Scotch are more concrete then the Italian and Ruy Lopez setups meaning that i have less chances to make mistakes.
Personally i dislike the d3 Italian systems most as black. This is because white is saying. I do not need to maximize my advantage but my plan is solid good luck playing against it in a long grinding game. Ruy Lopez players are generally more theory minded and they do weird stuff to avoid the berlin defence.
Thnx for the advice on the Marshall.
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moonnie wrote:
It is easy to avoid the Marshall. When i play e4 I normaly play 8. h3.
Also there are quite a few good ways to play with white against the Marshall that might be drawn at GM level but are really no fun to defend with black where with white you either win or draw with 0 chances of losing. This actually is the reason i switched to Berlin where with black at amateur level you have much more chances to outplay your oponent.
Though the scotch is perfectly playable it is the opening i am most happy to face of the serious 3 (together with the d3 Italian and the Ruy Lopez). Perhaps this is because the positions from the Scotch are more concrete then the Italian and Ruy Lopez setups meaning that i have less chances to make mistakes.
Personally i dislike the d3 Italian systems most as black. This is because white is saying. I do not need to maximize my advantage but my plan is solid good luck playing against it in a long grinding game. Ruy Lopez players are generally more theory minded and they do weird stuff to avoid the berlin defence.
I really don't like 8.h3 for White, Black has a number of routes to a good game without transposing back into normal Spanish lines.
I really do like playing Black against d3 Italians. I just castle and play d5.
Well black probably has 3 answers to h3
1) d6 will transpose to normal Spanish
2) Bb7 + d6 is also a decent setup but after d3 and a3 white should keep his traditional Spanish torture advantage and specially at amateur level this is something marshall players wish to avoid
2) Bb7+d5 will not transpose to normal Spanish lines and is probably the best independend answer but white should still be slightly lightly better in these positions and the positions have a lot of potential
pfren wrote:
8.h3 is probably the easiest Anti-Marshall to meet, as Black.
More than two dozen other top class games, where Black had zero problems following the same variation (11...Nxe5! 12.Rxe5 Qd6).
So,are a4 or d3 the only good anti marshalls?
chesslover1995 wrote:
pfren wrote:
No. The best Anti-Marshall is most probably the Yates (8.d4 d6 9.c3 Bg4 10.Be3) where chances are equal, but the play is lively.
8.a4 is a scaled-down 6.d3 Spanish (white has commited himself to Rf1-e1 a tad too early), while 8.d3 is even more harmless.
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chesslover1995 wrote:
pfren wrote:
No. The best Anti-Marshall is most probably the Yates (8.d4 d6 9.c3 Bg4 10.Be3) where chances are equal, but the play is lively.
8.a4 is a scaled-down 6.d3 Spanish (white has commited himself to Rf1-e1 a tad too early), while 8.d3 is even more harmless.
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pfren wrote:
Scotch four knights for new players, plain Scotch for later.
Although (IMO) the only real challenge to 1...e5! is the Ruy Lopez.
Studying the Ruy will not elevate your rating, at least short-term. However, it will definitely make you a better player- the positions to study are a real chess school- incredibly rich strategically, yet full of unexpected tactics.
The King's gambit is an opening from the past- Black has about one dozen ways towards a comfortable game.
Thank you for the advice. I have started studying the Ruy Lopez
Alright with the Tortoise joke no one is laughing!
I am interested in the 4 knights scotch, I want to use against the petroff. I wonder how do I play against counterattacks in the centre, like 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nc3 Nc6 4.d4 d5?
BTW - Ruy Lopez is worth studying, I mess up the move order and got severely punished for it in many of my games!
Play Belgrade gambit, a variation of the four knights (look it up). It looks crazy but it has worked very well for me, and it is very difficult to defend against. Even the worst variations lead to an equal position
this is especially good at elo 1500-1600 level (I am 1777). Give it a try - 1. e4 e5 2. nf3 nc6 3. Nc3 nf6 4.d4 ...exd4 5. Nd5
Has z99j been here since 2013?
Anyway, possibly helpful:
The Four Knights: Move by Move by Cyrus Lakdawala (2012)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627040728/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/ebcafe06.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627104938/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen159.pdf
The Ruy Lopez: Move by Move by Neil McDonald (2011)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627022042/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen153.pdf
Playing 1.e4 - Caro-Kann, 1...e5 and Minor Lines by John Shaw
http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/ebooks/Playing1e4CaroKannandothers-excerpt.pdf
A number of recent books have advocated the Italian game for White:
My First Chess Opening Repertoire for White by Vincent Moret
https://www.newinchess.com/Shop/Images/Pdfs/9033.pdf
https://www.chess.com/article/view/how-to-understand-openings
A SIMPLE CHESS OPENING REPERTOIRE FOR WHITE by Sam Collins
http://www.gambitbooks.com/pdfs/A_Simple_Chess_Opening_Repertoire_for_White.pdf
Winning with the Slow (but Venomous!) Italian by Karsten Müller and Georgios Souleidis
https://www.newinchess.com/Shop/Images/Pdfs/9037.pdf
6.Bb5 is another move that's not very good, thanks for sharing.