I think there are a Variation in the kings gambit where you sacrifice a knight. But I dont remind the name: e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 g4 0-0! gxf4 Qxf4 you have with these variation the initiative and a good development. But these factors are dynamic. So you have to attack fastly!
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Aug 6, 2014
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#4
I think that the Poisoned pawn in French is quite sound in OTB games and in other pracical games but I'm not that sure when it comes to corresponce with engines and stuff...
Traxler counter gambit, Halloween gambit. I've just posted about these in my chess blog at www.chessluddite.com
Aug 6, 2014
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#7
It's not really sound at all, but might work in Blitz. The Cochrane Gambit.
ThrillerFan wrote:
It's not really sound at all, but might work in Blitz. The Cochrane Gambit.
What might work in blitz can work anywhere.
Aug 6, 2014
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#9
ThrowThemInJail wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:
It's not really sound at all, but might work in Blitz. The Cochrane Gambit.
What might work in blitz can work anywhere.
I wish someone would have played the Cochrane Gambit this past week at the US Open. I'd slap you silly with a time control of 40/2, SD/1 if you tried to play the Cochrane Gambit.
Unforunately, nobody was stupid enough to play it against me. All 5 of my games as Black started 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6, but then I got the following:
Round 1: 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 5.d3 Nf6 6.Be2?!, which lead to "technically" to a Petroff, but ended up more like a bad exchange French and easy equality for Black - Black eventually won.
Round 3: Spanish Four Knights (3.Nc3 Nc6 4.Bb5), which I won
Round 5: Exchange French by Transposition (3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 5.d3 Nf6 6.d4 d5), which I won
Round 7: Spanish Four Knights, won again
Round 9: Spanish Four Knights, draw (if only he would have played the Cochrane Gambit, I could have gone 5-0 with Black!)
ThrillerFan wrote:
ThrowThemInJail wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:
It's not really sound at all, but might work in Blitz. The Cochrane Gambit.
What might work in blitz can work anywhere.
I wish someone would have played the Cochrane Gambit this past week at the US Open. I'd slap you silly with a time control of 40/2, SD/1 if you tried to play the Cochrane Gambit.
Unforunately, nobody was stupid enough to play it against me. All 5 of my games as Black started 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6, but then I got the following:
Round 1: 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 5.d3 Nf6 6.Be2?!, which lead to "technically" to a Petroff, but ended up more like a bad exchange French and easy equality for Black - Black eventually won.
Round 3: Spanish Four Knights (3.Nc3 Nc6 4.Bb5), which I won
Round 5: Exchange French by Transposition (3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 5.d3 Nf6 6.d4 d5), which I won
Round 7: Spanish Four Knights, won again
Round 9: Spanish Four Knights, draw (if only he would have played the Cochrane Gambit, I could have gone 5-0 with Black!)
What section of the US Open did you play in? The Open, Under 2200, Under 2000, Under 1800
ThrowThemInJail wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:
It's not really sound at all, but might work in Blitz. The Cochrane Gambit.
What might work in blitz can work anywhere.
I wish people would play this...umm...crap, in OTB tournaments. It would defintely help me.
Aug 6, 2014
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#13
Yaroslavl wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:
ThrowThemInJail wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:
It's not really sound at all, but might work in Blitz. The Cochrane Gambit.
What might work in blitz can work anywhere.
I wish someone would have played the Cochrane Gambit this past week at the US Open. I'd slap you silly with a time control of 40/2, SD/1 if you tried to play the Cochrane Gambit.
Unforunately, nobody was stupid enough to play it against me. All 5 of my games as Black started 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6, but then I got the following:
Round 1: 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 5.d3 Nf6 6.Be2?!, which lead to "technically" to a Petroff, but ended up more like a bad exchange French and easy equality for Black - Black eventually won.
Round 3: Spanish Four Knights (3.Nc3 Nc6 4.Bb5), which I won
Round 5: Exchange French by Transposition (3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 5.d3 Nf6 6.d4 d5), which I won
Round 7: Spanish Four Knights, won again
Round 9: Spanish Four Knights, draw (if only he would have played the Cochrane Gambit, I could have gone 5-0 with Black!)
What section of the US Open did you play in? The Open, Under 2200, Under 2000, Under 1800
The US Open is one big open tournament. Doesn't have "sections". My 5 opponents, in the games I had Black, were 1369, 1696, 2165, 2252, and 2324, respectively. I beat the first 4, drew the 2324.
My White results weren't nearly as stellar: Lost to a 2241 round 2, beat a 2152 round 4, drew a 2286 round 6, and drew a 2272 round 8. In all 4 cases, the Opening was the Sokolsky.
Aug 6, 2014
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#14
Fiveofswords wrote:
Zigwurst wrote:
How exactly is that gambit sound?
well white gets a huge, crushing space advantage for the sacrifice of a piece for 2 pawns...so that 1 pawn of material deficet. Its hard for black to effectively use an extra piece if hes tremendously cramped. And its also hard for black to blast the position open...especially when his king feels somewhat awkward. I jsut consider the chances roughly equal.
You know topolov played it against kramnik in their WC match, result was a draw.
They didn't play it in a WC match. They played it in round 7 (of 14) at Linares in 1999. Linares is not the World Championship!
Not sure what line of the Gambit was played in 1999, but the old idea of 5...Qe8 (against 5.d4) isn't as good as once thought. Now it's 5...c5! that's blowing away the Gambit.
melvinbluestone wrote:
I believe the Muzio Gambit in the KG is considered roughly equal. Except, of course, when I play the white side. Then, it's a quick crush for black ......
except of course when I play black. Then white gets quickly crushed.
Aug 6, 2014
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#16
@Fiveofswords: The reason why the line I offered is important for everybody who plays the Tarrasch with 3..c5 is quite simple: it's hard to figure out in OTB games and live games in chess.com if you haven't seen it before. Usually people would think it's important to capture the pawn straight away but this clearly isn't the truth - if Black wants to claim equalitity he should play like I showed. Most people would say that after 6.Nb3 White has the advantage and therefore choose a worse move than 5..Nc6. The truth is that the move 7..Bd7! is hard to spot and is harder to play without. The plan of Ba4, Nbd7 and Rc8 is important to understand.
Let me show you some examples.
Aug 6, 2014
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#18
Let's consider this scenario: You are playing in US youth championship. So on you have went from victory to victory until only one game is left (let's say it is a three day tournament of very loong chess). It's against the second one, who has half points less than you. Thought you are Black, you are still feeling pretty comfortable, after all you have spent the little hours of night to prepare a bulletproof repertoire against his 1.d4.
When the clock starts ticking, things start to go wrong. For your big suprise he begins with 1.e4 thought he haven't played that one for many years in OTB and he knows about your superior French skills. You are like: ´Thx for the free win/draw.´ Both will make few moves in tarrasch (he is supposed to be a "positional" player after all) and you of course play the move 3..c5 because you have lost you belief in the move 3..Nf6 after few painful looses. 4.exd5 Ok I have few hundred games experience of this line and he has none. It's going pretty well for me. (What you don't know is that he had spend weeks to master this line against you - his hardest opponent with his GM father. After all he wants to go to the Worlds championship as well.) Qxd5 5.dxc5 You look at your opponent for a long lasting moment. Why did you give up your good center? You spend 10 minutes trying to figure out which way is the easiest way to punish White's inferior plan. After that you will think: ´Well I can always delevop some pieces to good squares.` And so you play 5..Bxc5. Your opponent keeps pokerface and sepnds 10 minutes thinking just to make your assumptions right: to make you think you played the best possible move. What you don't know is that he has spend his most time studying this exact position and knows all the key moves perfectly fine. And you also don't know that he is a great fan of chess psychology and wants you to think that he doesn't know the position at all.
After 5 moves you feel desperate. "I have played a lot of sensible moves, played the French for my whole life and have a perfect understanding (as a matter of fact you cannot have a perfect understanding of the French defense structres [or you can if you are a chess engine from the future]) of this structre and I am NOT going to loose this one." Your confusion and pessimistic thinking leads you to a crazy attack in the queenside which is doomed to fail. White attemps on the kingside are much more dangerous than yours on the queenside and you have to desperately change his attacking pieces of but this leaves you with a lost endgame due to your bad pawn structre on the gueenside as well as in the kingside. You try to defend a lost endgame but in your mind you are already lost. Your opponent makes a very bad mistake which still gives you some very good drawing changes (which your little goldfish called "Houdini 3 Pro" would spot immediately) but you are too angry to think and make to obvious move instead of the best move. After his 40th move you call it a day and resign: you are known to be a true gentleman on the board and you are one of the best U16 players in US so you know when your opponent is going to win. After the game you have a little chat with you opponent. He askes you: ´Have you ever seen this 5.dxc5 move before?` You admit you haven't and say him you thought it was a ridicilous move. `Well it can be, if Black plays correctly. As a matter of fact I have prepared this move for weeks because according to databases you have never faced it. I wanted to suprise you.` After he tells you the correct move and show some variations you are amazed: ´Why I never had heard of this move? If I had I may not have lost against this line!` And by the way Fiveofswords, I think that every (serious) BLACK player should know this so that he doesn't loose important games like this. Of course internet patzers may not find this that useful.Long story short for those who think it's too big: A dude looses the deciding game of the U18 youth championship of USA because he haven't seen this douchebag variation before 
. Isn't it amazing how easy it is to edit a one sentence story to that gigantic story just to annoy people?
Aug 7, 2014
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#19
Yes in French Advance it is much more common. @melvin: I indeed know that variation in KGA. I have played this variation a few times
Does anyone know of any openings that involve sacrificing material (such as an exchange or a piece for 2-3 pawns) early on, that are also relatively sound or lead to roughly equal positions?