Scandinavian - Better for White or Black?

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Seems it's better for White.  If so, then why would black bring the Q out early and get her chased and let white develop?

Discussion?

Avatar of ChessOath

Every response to 1.e4 is better for White. Obviously...

Avatar of Ziggy_Zugzwang

Objectively white may have a very slight edge, but black will probably know the territory more. Will black know more than white or/and white will find the best moves ? - that is the question.

Avatar of ChessterDrawyers
I have played the Scandinavian and played against it. l always found it better than its reputation but so many people play it now that it is definitely NOT an opening where you will take your opponent out of book... In fact, I get it as often as any other line except e5
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I haven't played black with it and wouldn't want to.  Just seems a lot better and more defenses to e4 than with the Scandi.  Seems not to even be any traps for white to fall into.  Don't see how they could write an entire book on it for Black.  DA'd opening defense I've ever seen.  bleh. 

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Sure it is better for black!

So we can wonder, why white continues to play 1.e4?

Avatar of ponz111

One can write an entire book on any opening. One can write an entire book on one variation of an opening. One can write an entire book on one subvariation of an opening.

Chess is that complicated.

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Master_Po wrote:

I haven't played black with it and wouldn't want to.  Just seems a lot better and more defenses to e4 than with the Scandi.  Seems not to even be any traps for white to fall into.  Don't see how they could write an entire book on it for Black.  DA'd opening defense I've ever seen.  bleh. 

Not a trap per se, but a gambit where AFAIK Black has definite compensation can occur after 1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 if White is greedy and tries to keep his pawn, and "at our/your level" (as opposed to that of titled masters, or even just experts), White does just that much of the time



Avatar of chessprodigyofUS

can someone post a full game using this?

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chessprodigyofUS wrote:

can someone post a full game using this?

By using this do you mean the line I presented above, the Scandinavian in general, or what?  If you can't drill too deeply into chess.com's games/opening explorer, just google for "online chess database"

Here's one I found in the line that White holds on to the pawn.  Especially don't try this if your opponent is rated 200 points higher than you.

http://www.365chess.com/view_game.php?g=242524

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I didn't know 2...Nf6 was part of the Scandinavian.  That move seems better.  Was talking specifically about the Q coming out on her 2nd move.  Guess I'll have to write me a book on the 2...Nf6 variation. 

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Master_Po wrote:

I didn't know 2...Nf6 was part of the Scandinavian.  That move seems better.  Was talking specifically about the Q coming out on her 2nd move.  Guess I'll have to write me a book on the 2...Nf6 variation. 

Seems odd to comment on an opening where you don't know the second most played move on move 2.

But to each their own!

Avatar of crikey

Almost every credible opening is better for the better player. I've lost innumerable games against players who are playing 'theoretically' inferior openings.

Unless you are playing at GM level, the judgements in the theory books that say things like += or =+ are largely irrelevant. Play whatever opening feels like fun, and you will win more often than memorising some line of theory that is rated += but which leads you into a position that means nothing to you. 

Avatar of Megabyte

Black could simply play 1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qd6 followed by 4. ... a6, when White simply can't try to win the rook with the Knight. Black will be slightly behind, but there's not much you can exploit here.

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@ Megabyte : "try to win the rook with the knight"...

U mean Nb5-Nxc7?

I played numerous games on scandinavian with white, and i've never won this rook...

But if your opponent helps you ok.

In this case, i would prefer to deliver mate on f7...

@ Master Po : why not opening a book?

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poucin wrote:

@ Megabyte : "try to win the rook with the knight"...

U mean Nb5-Nxc7?

I played numerous games on scandinavian with white, and i've never won this rook...

But if your opponent helps you ok.

Yes, that's what I'm talking about.
Of course this tactic wouldn't work for you, since you are at master level. :)

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Megabyte a écrit :
poucin wrote:

@ Megabyte : "try to win the rook with the knight"...

U mean Nb5-Nxc7?

I played numerous games on scandinavian with white, and i've never won this rook...

But if your opponent helps you ok.

Yes, that's what I'm talking about.
Of course this tactic wouldn't work for you, since you are at master level. :)

Well, did u really read me?

I told i play with white, so i faced strong players, but also patzers, beginners, etc...

And as i said, never (i think) what u talked happen...