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Scandinavian defence, which is best in your opinion d8, d6 or Qa5 ?

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rychessmaster1
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Oct 19, 2021
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ThrillerFan wrote:
rychessmaster1 wrote:

none of the above

Nf6 move 2

 

You are a move off!  Move 1!  The Scandi is pure trash!

 

There are 4 good responses to 1.e4.

1...e5, 1...e6; 1...c5, and 1...c6.  One is no better than the other three, but all are better than the other 16 garbage moves, including 1...d5?!

Uhhhhh

Are you reccomending the alekhine

Wtf

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rychessmaster1 wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:
rychessmaster1 wrote:

none of the above

Nf6 move 2

 

You are a move off!  Move 1!  The Scandi is pure trash!

 

There are 4 good responses to 1.e4.

1...e5, 1...e6; 1...c5, and 1...c6.  One is no better than the other three, but all are better than the other 16 garbage moves, including 1...d5?!

Uhhhhh

Are you reccomending the alekhine

Wtf

 

 

Nowhere do I recommend the Alekhine!  Follow the quotes.

 

Rychessmaster1 said 2...Nf6.

 

I gave 4 moves on move 1 that are clearly better.  Nowhere do I see 1...Nf6 in that list.  1...e6, 1...e5, 1...c6, 1...c5, where do you see the Alekhine in that list?

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ThrillerFan wrote:

Nowhere do I recommend the Alekhine! 

This can be interpreted as "You should have played Nf6 on move one!"

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Freevision89 wrote:
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ThrillerFan skrev:
rychessmaster1 wrote:

none of the above

Nf6 move 2

 

You are a move off!  Move 1!  The Scandi is pure trash!

 

There are 4 good responses to 1.e4.

1...e5, 1...e6; 1...c5, and 1...c6.  One is no better than the other three, but all are better than the other 16 garbage moves, including 1...d5?!

Then would you mind explaining exactly why the scandinavian is "garbage" / "pure trash". Even strong grandmasters play it on occasion so I highly doubt its garbage unless you can point at something concrete.

 

 

The Scandinavian is not garbage:

a) It has as good results as any other defence at club level

b) It is not winning by force for white

c) Strong granmasters plays it sometimes in competition games. The most recently one I remember was player by Rapport twice in the Norway Chess.

d) The World Champion, Magnus Carlsen played it atleast 3 times in the World Blitz Championship with great succes. In the interview he said "Im gonna continue playing this opening until someone prove me wrong". Guess what, nobody proved him wrong, and he faced very strong opposition (Nepo, Anand and MVL)

 

As you can see, if you like the Scandinavian there is no reason to not play it, it is a good defence, maybe objectivelly speaking it is slightly inferior to the "big four" but nothing major. In my opinion, in order to call something garbage or trash it has to be something loosing out of the spot. Surely not the Scandinavian.

 

 

World blitz championship means nothing.  Even at the GM level, you can play 1...a5 in blitz and win.

 

It has been used once in a world championship match in the last 40 years and Black lost (1995, rd 14).

It is still today almost never used in CLASSICAL TIME CONTROLS by the top 100 (again, blitz means nothing when it comes to opening soundness).

 

And lastly, club level statistics are rubbish.  If you use club statistics, my over 70% score on the Black side of the Exchange French across roughly 50 games in the last 8 years would imply 3 exd5 is refuted.  GM statistics show Black scores in the low 50s, which is still really bad for White, and it is that, not my own 75% score, that I use to back up my claim that the exchange French, particularly the symmetrical lines, is slightly better for Black because he can force white to commit first, unlike the Spanish Four Knights, where pure mimicking by Black is a blunder on move 7.

 

You have to look at the specifics of your statistical data before you can claim validity.  Basing validity on 3 GM blitz games is like basing it on my 70+ percent score against 3.exd5 in the French.

Freevision89
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Oct 19, 2021
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#65

Hey ThrillerFan, look what I found, you couldnt beat me with my trashy Scandi defense! cry.png

 

Thee_Ghostess_Lola
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Oct 19, 2021
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#66

20. BxR just wins a big piece and 23. RxB wipes u out after 24. Qg5+ cuz Bh5 izza oobly-boobly.