Should I learn the Dutch or Czech Benoni?

i did not say any lies and what i said about the benoni and that magnus had beaten caruana and anand with the dutch was towards a post @Mayedasun.And yes with the classic dutch black gets a  position with even chance's unlike the stonewall or the leningrad.Either with the illy-genevsky system or simon williams Ne4.But black has way better things than a position that is worse for him the slav which is eqaul and a lot of white players have repeated moves int the mainline with a4 and e3,or forced a draw after a4 Ne5 Nf7.Or the grunfeeld where there are lines which after 30 moves of theory are found out to be drawn.Or the nimzo with the same story as the slav

In this position white is better and black has no counterplay he can try with Qb5 but it's leads nowhere the win is just techiqe.The stonewall white just has to play e3 Bd3 0-0 b3 Bb2 Nc3 Ne2 Ne5 and black cant chase the knight on e5 which stops counterplay and after Bxe5 or Nxe5 white has Nd4.

There you go again. So, you believe the opening to give you even chances even if White knows all the theory, which you said he most likely doesn't. You also say that Black has "a lot more things to play that are better". Erm...

http://chess-db.com/public/game.jsp?id=14500086.14507200.146273024.25019

yup if you read what  the other thing's how much more solid.And by eqaul chances with theory i mean more like out of a hundred games white should win 10 more games.But nobody study's the classical dutch in deapth.

Yes, inded it looks that Black in a bad shape with a rook on h8...

However, your position is a wee tad suspect, don't you agree?

Put that bloody rook at f8, and Black has no problems in that position-even in correspondence chess.

Black will enter a Stonewall whenever white settles for g2-g3- he can answer e2-e3 by other means. But OK, lets examine your plan. It's brilliant, but there is a slight issue with it: You play no moves for Black...

You can see that using your move order white cannot even plant a knight at e5 after ...Qf6, while even if he plays more precisely (b3 before Nc3, to force ...Qe7) Black is quite OK after 11.Ne5 a5!

It's called Bad Bishop Aversion Syndrome. It makes it impossible for me to resist developing my bishops outside of pawn chains.

A good opening is one where you feel at home in the positions.  I've been playing the Dutch for decades and really enjoyed seeing Carlsen's two games in it (they were Stonewalls, by the way--he apparently doesn't think it's busted).  But someone who loves open centers and free and easy development is going to hate it.  The great thing about chess is that there are openings for every taste.

If you play over some master games in the opening you're considering, you can see what kinds of middlegames tend to develop from it and whether you'd feel happy with them.  If you're looking at the Dutch it's worth noting that the three major kinds are very different--I play the Stonewall pretty well, I like the Classical but don't succeed with it, and I am clueless about the Leningrad.

The Czech Benoni shares some of the ponderous blocked qualities of the Stonewall Dutch and a Stonewall player might like it.  Haven't tried it yet but it's on my list.

Hi,I would like to point out that the QGDeclined is a broad term which encompasses the Slav,the Orthodox,the Cambridge Springs,etc.I take it then you meant the Orthodox defense vs the Slav. As for the exchange variation,it is 100% up to white whether or not it will be played(cxd5) and therefore it makes no sense to recommend it to black.

Hi, when people say Queens Gambit Declined it's assumed they're talking about 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6.

I didn't recommend Black play the exchange variation so I'm confused as to what you're trying to correct me about.

Not really, the Slav is only one of the defenses available to black in the QGD,there is also the Orthodox etc...2e6 characterizes the Orthodox,..2c6 the Slav.But they are both QGD. As regards the exchange variation,maybe it is just a misunderstanding on my part due to the fact that the OP asked for advice on what openings to play as black..

Cool, so if I buy some books on the Queen's Gambit Declined like the ones by Neil Mcdonald, Matthew Sadler, etc I can expect them to cover the Slav too?

I know that in a broad general sense the Queens Gambit Declined can encompass those things but in everyday language when people say Queen's Gambit Declined they mean 1.d4 d5 2. c4 e6.

The original post was about Black openings, correct. My comment was not entirely directed to the original post, part of it was in response to another comment by someone else. Understand now?

As for the Slav being a much better defense than the Orthodox,I don't know where you got that idea but it is simply not true.They are both excellent,top notch defenses vs 1d4.

If you move your bishops outside pawn chains, it's far easier to blunder them.

I asked the bishops. They said they ain't worried about nothin and want outside of their pawn chains. If you give your soldiers what they want they'll look after themselves and each other so nobody will go MIA.

And if you don't listen to them you're going to come down with Melanpenia or Luekopenia. This is what Hans Kmoch taught us in his work, Pawn Power in Chess. It starts out mild, you play d5 and e6, block the bishop in hoping to solve it later, it seems almost inconsequential. However it can become more accentuated. This is why I like the Czech Benoni, my opponent usually has less bad bishop aversion than me and I succeed in trading mine off, leaving them with theirs. No regard for the dangers of Monochromy, some people.

The semi-slav is worth looking at... but why are you worrying about openings, they don't matter much at your level, focus on tactics.

OP last online 4 months ago.probably she left chess,

Who could blame her!!

Of the two I suggest learning the Dutch.

You will always be able to play it in any game where your opponent opens with 1.d4.

With the Czech Benoni, both you and your opponent have more chance to deviate from it.  

(Unless you only ever play in tournaments with the thematic opening you prefer of course! ).

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