Sicilian defense vs king indian defense

The thread title is just dumb for starters.

The Sicilian is a defense vs 1.e4, while the King's Indian Defense is vs 1.d4.

We can play king's Indian against e4 also , king's Indian is quite a good positional opening,but personally it is very aggressive. Sicilian defense is also a good opening during the low rating times because most of the players don't know how to crush it , Sicilian dragon is the best variation, it mostly looks like a king's Indian, because of the fianchetto bishop and developed knight.

This is the king's Indian against e4, the line goes like [1. e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 3. c4 g6 4. Nc3 Bg7 ]

Nobody plays 3. c4 blundering a pawn. White just plays a Pirc game with 3. Nc3.

Why didn't Black take the e4 pawn after 3. c4?

premoving in bullet maybe

An e4 player would love to face the Pirc rather than the King's Indian and most likely play 3. Nc3 against the Modern.

I totally forgot the lines , i play sicilian defense against e4. But I heard that we can play king's indian against e4

You certainly can NOT.

The only way is via the move order 1.e4 g6 (or 1...d6 2.d4 g6 3.c4 etc) 2.d4 Bg7 3.c4 d6 etc, but there is absolutely no guarantee that White will play c2-c4.

I got tricked into playing this by a move-order fiend at the club. I played 1. e4 and after c6 2. c4 instead of playing d5, he played d6 and I ended up in a KID as White.

@DrSpudnik , I am sorry

Now I see, this Sicilian variation (I think dragon variation) is mostly looking like a king's Indian setup , I was the one who confused this Sicilian variation with king's Indian defense, sorry.

Most of the time , I play this against e4. It's tricky but most of the players at my level don't know how to crush it. That's why I often play this. I never get this exact line all the time but I know the basic setup.

First, it is nothing alike a King's Indian, and second, an opening is not the phase of the game you will play on autopilot. By omitting f3 (or h3) White allowed (7.Qd2?!) Ng4! 8.Bg5 Nc6, when Black is at least equal.

Thanks for the correction, IM pfren. I see now that the Dragon is nothing like the King’s Indian and I was mistaken to compare them. I also understand your point about not playing openings on autopilot—small move order mistakes (like skipping f3 or h3 before 7.Qd2) can allow …Ng4! and give Black equality after 8.Bg5 Nc6. Sorry for the confusion earlier, and I appreciate the explanation.

I’ve been looking deeper into the Sicilian Dragon, and I noticed that a lot of strong players recommend the Yugoslav Attack for White (with Be3, Qd2, f3, g4, etc.). My doubt is: what is the best practical plan for Black if White goes for this aggressive setup? Should Black always go for …Rc8 and …h5 counterplay, or are there safer alternatives?

Here is a list of the Dragon Yugoslav attack lines that are considered as 100% reliable for Black.

All of them have two common characteristics:

1) positionally speaking, they are very simple to understand,

2) all of these lines have a crapload of established theory.