Sicilian Dragon vs Najdorf - Which is better?

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Deranged
FizzyBand wrote:
Deranged wrote:
FizzyBand wrote:
rishabh11great wrote:
Deranged wrote:

I've been playing the Najdorf for the past year and a half, and I often find myself in situations around the early middlegame (move 12 ish) where the white pawn storm is hitting me faster than I can strike back on the queenside, and I don't handle it too well

Then again, I've heard that the dragon is even worse than the Najdorf in terms of facing that dreaded pawn storm and having to defend perfectly if you want to survive. So I'd steer well clear of that.

"I dont believe in Dragons"- One of the greatest players of all time - Robert James Fischer

Wanna back that up with some variations

Yeah this variation is the most challenging one imo:

 

I was referencing the guy who quoted RJF.

I’d advise you, as someone who plays the White side of your Najdorf line quite a bit, that you would do better keeping your king in the center for a bit. I would finish development with Nbd7, b5, and Bb7 before castling (or maybe not, as a pawn storm like the one you showed could be possible). Sometimes Black never castles in The Najdorf, and I think you should look into some no castling lines.

Oh sorry, I misread your comment.

Hmm that's an interesting option. I've never really considered leaving my king in the centre. But I guess it makes sense, once white commits to an early kingside pawn storm.

Thanks for the advice.

Sneakiest_Of_Snakes
krazeechess wrote:

the problem with accelerated dragon is they can play yugoslav and you are doomed, thats why you play the hyper accelerated dragon, which crushes the yugoslav

Actually, Yugoslav is not very good for White as an early d5 push (as you didn't play d6) gives black the advantage. The reason why most people don't play advanced though is because of the annoying Maroczy Bind variation.

tlay80
krazeechess wrote:

the problem with accelerated dragon is they can play yugoslav and you are doomed, thats why you play the hyper accelerated dragon, which crushes the yugoslav

Huh? If White is aiming for a Yugoslav setup, then the hyperaccelerated dragon (2 ... g6) simply transposes to the accelerated dragon, no? As far as I’m aware, the only difference between them is some sidelines they avoid and allow (most notably the Rossolimo). What’s the difference you had in mind? 

And the problem with both is the Maroczy Bind. 

tlay80
Sneakiest_Of_Snakes wrote:
krazeechess wrote:

the problem with accelerated dragon is they can play yugoslav and you are doomed, thats why you play the hyper accelerated dragon, which crushes the yugoslav

Actually, Yugoslav is not very good for White as an early d5 push (as you didn't play d6) gives black the advantage.

Yes, but not against Yugoslav players who include Bc4 in their setup, which prevents d5 anyway, and which still gives White a lot of attacking chances.  Black still has some ways to keep the game independent in those lines, but they don't make as big a difference as they do in the 9. 0-0-0 lines.

Oliver_Prescott

I personally prefer the Najdorf, with this variation as black.

It's a very solid counter-attack, and I prefer it over any dragon variations.

ppandachess

That's a big question, but it's riskier to play the Dragon (if you play it as your only defense) because Black normally has less options than in the Najdorf, so your opponent can prepare more easily against you

tlay80

I assume the move you prefer at move 8 is h5. What’s the improvement at move 12?

2Kd21-0

Probably The Najdorf as black because if your opponent plays The Yugoslav attack which is below, than your life just becomes a heck of a lot more difficult as black because you have to remember a lot moves and theory.


 

CrockPotLion

By any objective definition... win ratio, playability, popularity etc. najdorf slays dragon. Which a majority play because of the name. And as for Eng. Attack? A d6 scheveningen structure gives better counterplay, according to GM opinion. A d5 set up should be good pickings, if White knows the best line. And the kan variation avoids the Eng, Attack with ease. Despite what some rude, aggressive people might claim.

karpoviantal

Najdorf is sounder and is preferred by top players, but the ideas in the Sicilian Dragon are easy to understand, and the attacking strategy is quite clear. The Najdorf is tactically complex and sometimes even strategically complex, meanwhile the Dragon just results in both sides going for all-out attacks. I am studying the Najdorf, but the Dragon is one of my old favourites.

technical_knockout

play the uber-accelerated dragon: 1.g3! 😆

sndeww
silverwildflower8 wrote:
ChesswithNickolay wrote:

Go for the Taimanov.

Whag about the classical?

Velimorovic attack go brr

shadow1414

Najdorf, because the Yugoslav attack exists.

technical_knockout

play the hyper-accelerated dragon.

GeorgeWyhv14

Najdorf because the key ideas are easier.

SwimmerBill
B1ZMARK wrote:
silverwildflower8 wrote:
ChesswithNickolay wrote:

Go for the Taimanov.

Whag about the classical?

Velimorovic attack go brr

This gives chances for both sides. IMO white's attack plays itself and is dangerous and black needs to know stuff and not 'blink' but, if so, black is fine with, e.g., the a6 Qc7 Na5 line.

ConfusedGhoul

I don't understand, are you suggesting 6. Bc4 against the Classical? 6... Qb6 is good for Black, the Knight on d4 is quite awkward and if it retreats to b3 then the Bc4 is misplaced

DrSpudnik

Najdorf makes me struggle with plans from the early opening. The only thing I plan with the Dragon is how to charge up the Kingside and kill it.

SwimmerBill
ConfusedGhoul wrote:

I don't understand, are you suggesting 6. Bc4 against the Classical? 6... Qb6 is good for Black, the Knight on d4 is quite awkward and if it retreats to b3 then the Bc4 is misplaced

Yes B1ZMARK is referring to this. The Velimirovic attack is then [after black playse6 Be7, OO] Bc4, Be3 Qe2, OOO g4, g5 then either Rg1+Qh5 then Rg3-h3 and checkmate follows or f4-f5 etc.  The line you mention Qb6 is a valid response that is forcing and leads to an interesting game with different ideas. Personally it is not my favorite ['tho it is recommended in many repetoire books] as I find the main line gives interesting play for both sides. [I also had some early success with it long ago so I still have a good feeling for black's possibilities in it.]

 

technical_knockout

play 2...Nf6 (nimzo sicilian) & snatch a free pawn after their Nf3 pre-move.  😁