Sicilian players, what do you do against Bc4?

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I notice alot of white players play an early Bc4 (as their second or third move).  Supposedly this is "supposed to" be bad, but what can you really do against it?

FerrusKG
It's called Bowlder Attack. Therefore it's not bad... That's all I know about it Embarassed
silentfilmstar13
I think Black is just plain better after this sequence.
u014873
1. e4 c5 2. Bc4 e6 Immediately taking the diagonal away and preparind ...d5.   3. Nc3 Protecting against ...d5.   3... Ne7 Adding support for ...d5.   4. Qe2 prevents the intrusion on d5 and provides protection for the bishop on c4.
TroyVincentAllenBurn
im not a Sicilian player but i cant tell u what the champions did against Bobby Fischer, they put their pawn up 2 to attack it. then Fischer would put his bishob on Bb3.

ericmittens
I smile and promptly win the game.
KillaBeez
I usually would play g6 and play a hyper accelerated dragon
JWP262

I like to play a6, and subsequently b5 with tempo. 

 


Feldmm1

Here is a game I played against it.

http://www.chess.com/echess/game.html?id=6486821


u014873

well, here is some analysis by fritz

1.e4 c5 2.Bc4 Nc6 [ 2...Nf6 A) 3.d3 a6

( 3...e6 4.Qe2 d5 5.exd5 Nxd5 6.Nf3 Nc6

7.0−0 Be7 8.Nbd2 0−0 9.Re1 a6 10.a4=

0.03/15 ) 4.Nd2 Nc6 5.Ngf3 e6 6.Qe2 d5

7.Bb3 Be7 8.0−0 0−0 9.Re1 Qc7 10.c3=

−0.12/15 ;
B) 3.Qe2 d6 ( 3...Nc6 4.Nf3 d5

5.exd5 Nxd5 6.0−0 a6 7.Nc3 Be6 8.Ng5

Nd4 9.Qe1 b5 10.Nxe6=
0.00/15 ) 4.d3 Nc6

5.Nf3 Bg4 6.Bb5 Nd7 7.Bxc6 bxc6 8.h3 Bh5

9.Nbd2 e6 10.Qe3= −0.12/16 ; C) 3.e5 d5

( 3...Ng8 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.0−0 d5 6.exd6 e6 7.d4

cxd4 8.Nxd4 Nxd4 9.Qxd4 Qxd6 10.Qe3 

0.31/14 ) 4.Bb5+ Bd7 5.Be2 Ng8 6.c3 Nc6

7.d4 cxd4 8.cxd4 Qb6 9.Nf3 Bg4 10.Nbd2=

0.00/14 ; 2...e6
A) 3.Nc3 a6 ( 3...Nf6 4.Nf3

d5 5.exd5 exd5 6.Bb5+ Bd7 7.d4 cxd4

8.Qxd4 Bxb5 9.Nxb5 Nc6 10.Qd3= 0.03/13 )

4.Bb3 Nc6 5.Nf3 Nf6 6.d3 d5 7.exd5 Nxd5

8.Ne4 Be7 9.0−0 0−0 10.Re1= −0.09/14 ; B)

3.Qe2 Be7 ( 3...a6 4.d3 Be7 5.Bb3 Nc6

6.Nf3 d6 7.0−0 Nf6 8.Bg5 h6 9.Bf4 0−0

10.Nbd2=
0.03/15 ) 4.Nc3 Nc6 5.Nf3 a6 6.d3

d6 7.0−0 Nf6 8.Bb3 0−0 9.Re1 b5 10.Bg5=

0.00/14 ;
C) 3.Nf3 Nf6 ( 3...Nc6 4.0−0 Nf6

5.Re1 Nxe4 6.Rxe4 d5 7.Bxd5 Qxd5 8.Nc3

Qf5 9.d4 Be7 10.dxc5=
0.22/14 ) 4.Qe2 Nc6

5.e5 d5 6.Bb5 Nd7 7.Bxc6 bxc6 8.d3 Qa5+

9.Nbd2 Qc7 10.0−0= 0.16/16 ] 3.Nf3 e6

[ 3...Nf6 4.d3 e6 5.0−0 d5 6.exd5 Nxd5

7.Bg5 Be7 ]
4.0−0 Nf6 5.Nc3 Nxe4 6.Nxe4

d5 7.Qe2 dxc4 8.Qxc4 Nd4 9.Nxd4 cxd4

10.Re1= −0.09/15


mandelshtam

Many "Patzer"s (=beginners in chess) play 2. Bc4. It looks naive, since black has not yet weakened f7, by playing e7-e5 - as in openings starting with 1. e4 e5.

Black should gain a tempo by driving back the bishop with e6 and then d5.

(see the Fritz analysis).

However, the bishop is not placed so badly on b3 (or a2), since he can put pressure on the black centre. If black plays uncautiously Bf8-c5 or Bf8-d6 later then that pressure can become annoying after Bg5... (here, d5-d4 is often not a good option, since this makes the Bb3(a2) alive again!).

It is more precise to hinder this plan of white by playing Be7, or first h7-h6, and then Bd6 ( or even Bc5).  

In such a case, white often needs to find a new prospective for his Bb3(a2), by playing c2-c3, and then Bc2(b1). This is not so terrible for black. 

So if black takes care of d5, white does not have any advantage. 

My conclusion is: 1.e4 c5 2. Bc4 is perfectly playable for white , since it has a positional basis . But black equalizes earlier  than in other systems of the Sicilian. 

Mandelshtam 


Bowens
e6 followed by Nf6 if they play Nc3 and then a simple d5 push...diffuses their threat right away...
Torkil

As has been stated, Black can equalize fairly easily in many lines with an early Bc4, but that's still a long way from getting an advantage. If you got a decisive advantage against it early on, that simply means your opponent did indeed play on beginner level. Wink

The point is that you still have to pay some attention to move order issues, because White can still transpose into Open Sicilian main lines you may not be familiar with, an example: If after the sequence 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 you go for the d5 break by playing 3...e6, White's 4.d4 gets you into some Poulsen, Sozin or Scheveningen lines of the open Sicilian. This is still OK for Black, but it can throw you off balance if you usually would play the Dragon (lines with g7-g6) or the Sveshnikov (involving an early e7-e5, but you wouldn't want to try that against an early Bc4 anyways). So, as a Dragon player, 3...g6 would obviously the move, and later you will have to decide whether Nf6 or e6 and Nge7 is the correct setup. When doing so, always consider the consequences of White playing a delayed d2-d4!