Sicilian Struggles

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Hi i am rated 1200 in rapid and i struggle against the sicilian. Can someone help me?

I dont want have to memorize a bunch of lines. 

Thank you!

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“I dont want have to memorize a bunch of lines.”

Then don’t. You don’t need to. Just follow the opening principles and you will be fine.
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TheAmazinngLegend wrote:

Hi i am rated 1200 in rapid and i struggle against the sicilian. Can someone help me?

I dont want have to memorize a bunch of lines. 

Thank you!

Then, as white you can usually go for this kind of setup:

And depending on how you're feeling, you can either attack black's king by pushing the g and h pawns or you can play in the center by developing the bishop to e2, playing f3-f4, and then e4-e5, etc.

For example, against the dragon:

 

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if u do not want to memorize a bunch of lines, play g3-bg2 , b3- bb2, c3, or c4 after 1.e4 c5 should be OK

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give Alapin a shot.  works for me.  

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Try playing it as Black.

That will teach you which lines for White create the most problems for Black.

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#3 that's a really superficial way to learn the English Attack, also against the Classical 6. Be3 is a big mistake because of 6... Ng4, playing the Open Sicilian like a system is laughable in my opinion

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#9
Indeed to prevent ...Ng4 it is better to precede Be3 with f3.
This is an example. It follows 24 moves of theory...
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=2289467 

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#10 and #11 I'm not talking about the Najdorf or the Dragon, I'm talking about 5... Nc6 the Classical Sicilian

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I would not recommend the Open Sicilian to any beginning/intermediate players to be honest since the positions require pretty good understanding. The English Attack setup as mentioned above, for instance, does not work against every Sicilian Black can try. Not to mention all the theory that White would need to learn.

IMO, the Closed Sicilian is the way to go, whether it is with the kingside fianchetto (3.g3) or the Grand Prix Attack (3.f4). There, White's plans and opening moves are a little bit more straightforward and work pretty much against anything Black throws at you.

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+thanks everyone!

 

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I've tried every possible anti-Sicilian as well as a few of the more straightforward Open Sicilian lines. Eventually I noticed that all these different approaches were producing much the same results. So I went back to my first love, the Closed Sicilian, with the same first five moves in every case: 1.e4, 2.Nc3, 3.g3, 4.Bg2, 5.d3. On the sixth move White can choose between f4, which I usually play, and Be3 which I prefer if Black has fianchettoed on the kingside, with the possibility of Qd2 and Bh6 to exchange the fianchettoed bishop. White will generally castle kingside, then throw the pawns forward for a kingside attack. I've found by playing this line consistently I've got to understand it well; it's not the sharpest, or indeed the best, line against the Sicilian, but it's easy to play and Black often underestimates it.  

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Have fun!

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d4, Qxd4 (after cxd4), Qd2 (after Nc6), b3, bishop b2, castle long, push kingside pawns. Etc. Learn Alapin/Rossolimo meanwhile.

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There are some coaches that recommend against the Open Sicilian for beginners.  Personally, I have always preferred it (even when I was much lower rated).  You cannot play it like a system, but the positions are diverse and exciting so, as long as you do not get discouraged by losses, you can use it to get better in a vast array of positions (something you cannot do with things like the Alapin, Grand Prix, or Closed).

If you want to ramp up your knowledge on the opening, there are a few really good books you can pick from:

1) "Dismantling the Sicilian" by Jesus de la Villa and Max Illingsworth.  This one is focused on the Sicilian and uses a unique approach for an opening book.

2) Negi's 3 volume Grandmaster Repertoire series on the Sicilian.  Granted, the name implies it is an advanced book, but he does use model games so you can play through the various lines and get the ideas.

3) John Shaw's 1. e4 repertoire.  My personal favorite.  It is not as advanced as Negi's, but gives solid approaches using a wide variety of model games to show the ideas.  This includes when you can play the English Attack and when you cannot, and perhaps more importantly at the club level, how to play the Maroczy Bind.

Note that when reading these books you should not try to memorize the moves, but the ideas.  Things like, "Okay, if he played the O'Kelly Variation, I know I should not play 3.d4 and instead should play 3.c4 instead to avoid all sorts of nonsense with Qb6 and Bc5/Bb4".

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Some great responses

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update i am now close to 1900 by using the alapin and now i am finally switching to the open sicilian and learning the lines

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TheAmazinngLegend wrote:

update i am now close to 1900 by using the alapin and now i am finally switching to the open sicilian and learning the lines


Why? stop learning the lines, it is not going to help you at all, instead learn positional play to get to 2000

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I learned positional play to get to 2000, but I needed to learn tactics to get to 2400. Isn't that funny?