simple defense for queen's pawn opening needed

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theturtlemoves

I would recommend the Nimzo-Indian defence - learn how to play that and you'll be delighted whenever someone plays 1.d4. The dutch seems good too.

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Could anybody post a good dutch defense game here againsts QG (or does white abandon QG if black is playing Dutch).

sableWhist

White still normaly plays 2.c4 against the dutch, but it is not called the QG anymore. http://www.eudesign.com/chessops/duch-app.htm has a good tutorial on the opening and will teach either the classical, stonewall, or lenigrad systems. I prefer stonewall. 

VLaurenT
Spiffe wrote:

Albin Countergambit is poor.  It's trappy, and you might win some games with it at your level, but ultimately it's not a good opening as you improve.  I have a hard time believing it's been endorsed by "strong GMs".

Chigorin defense is not a bad suggestion.  Something else that has not been mentioned is the Benko Gambit.


Here is a sample of Albin-Counter gambits played by strong GMs (Morozevitch, Kasimdzhanov, Nakamura, Sadler...)

The stronger practitioner today is probably Kasimdzhanov.

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Considered keeping the following to myself, but the budapest defense seems really devastating to white, and the above post implies there's not even an effective counter to it.  (Don't much care though as I never play QG as white.)

sableWhist

The Budapest defense only works because it often catches white offgaurd. Good play, and the avoiding of a trap by white, renders it unsound

Spiffe
hicetnunc wrote:

Here is a sample of Albin-Counter gambits played by strong GMs (Morozevitch, Kasimdzhanov, Nakamura, Sadler...)

The stronger practitioner today is probably Kasimdzhanov.


I'll admit I am surprised to see so much GM activity in the line, but still the occasional game does not represent an "endorsement".  Where were these games played?  What were the time controls and tournament situation?  Does Kasimdzhanov use this as one of his primary defenses to d4?  After all, GMs like to have fun too; no sense burning up opening novelties in the last round of a tournament when you're out of contention, or when playing bullet on ICC.

Matt1728

Easest one to learn for beginner to intermediate players.. .

sableWhist

The Indians have a ridiculous amount of theory assosiated with them

dsachs

nimzo...

VLaurenT

Nimzo is one of the most difficult openings to grasp because of the many different pawn centers associated with it.

I would really not recommend it as a 1st defence against 1.d4 for a new competition player. All players I know U1700 elo playing it are just well...misplaying it Smile

@spiffe - this is not their 1st defence, but they have used it against strong competition in long games (not the occasional ICC bullet Wink). This is not as sound as main defences, but at the amateur level, I think it's fully playable and can lead to very enjoyable games (QGD may be a bit dull sometimes...) Smile

thegab03
Spiffe wrote:
hicetnunc wrote:

Here is a sample of Albin-Counter gambits played by strong GMs (Morozevitch, Kasimdzhanov, Nakamura, Sadler...)

The stronger practitioner today is probably Kasimdzhanov.


I'll admit I am surprised to see so much GM activity in the line, but still the occasional game does not represent an "endorsement". Where were these games played? What were the time controls and tournament situation? Does Kasimdzhanov use this as one of his primary defenses to d4? After all, GMs like to have fun too; no sense burning up opening novelties in the last round of a tournament when you're out of contention, or when playing bullet on ICC.


I'm not a strong player, but I swear by The Albins Counter Attack, I find it gives Black a lot of play & breathing space, I just got to learn all the lines!

BillyIdle

     Albin Couter gambit 1.d4  1.d5   2.c4  2.e5

Queen's Gambit Accepted 1.d4  1.d5   2.c4  2.d5xc4

  If they play the Colle 1.d4  1.d5   2.Nc3......

Just duplicate their moves for awhile. 

kissinger

nizmo indian rules, QP drools

Feldmm1
playe4 wrote:

Hi

I have asked just that question too! What to play against 1 d4 ?

I have played the Slav, the SemiSlav, Benoni etc etc. All of those are fine (if you know what you are doing!) but not simple.

So for a simple response I recommend 1. d4 e6

I quite like this because amazingly some opponents reply 2.e4 which can then transpose to one of my favourite 1.e4  defences-the French defence (ie 1 d4 e6 2 e4 d5).

Otherwise often the opponent will play 2. c4 and you can play Nf6 and then you can go for a simple Queen's Gambit game. Many good players have played this way (lots of GM's- just search any database for 1d4 e6 & see!0.

As an example here is a fantastic GM game from yesteryear:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hope this helps


 I play the semi-slav as black, but I would play Nf6 first if I was trying to do what you are recommending. Playing e6 first means he has to learn three openings instead of two. What you forgot to mention is the reason people play this move order to get to the queen's gambit declined in the first place- to avoid the exchange variation and go into a tartakower. After 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6, white has a choice to play Nc3 or Nf3. If he plays Nf3, you can safely transpose into an exchange variation; the king's knight belongs on e2 in that variation. If he plays Nc3, then if you do not want the exchange played, you better go for the nimzo. This is why I choose the semi-slav over basing my repetoire off of this; the nimzo has so many responses to it that the theory is massive, and I do not like giving up the bishop pair. The semi-slav has a big amount of theory as well, but I only have to learn one opening if I play it, and I do not have to give up the bishop pair. It can lead to some crazy games, too.

In conclusion, if you don't mind a lot of work, base your entire black repetoire against d4 on the nimzo and QGD tartakower. If you don't want to do that, then maybe you should check out some semi-slav games and see if you like it or not. It can get rather tactical and crazy if opponents know the theory, but I haven't come across many who do.

Feldmm1

Actually, since you seem to want a simple opening, you probably should not play the semi-slav.

Christopher21

You told that you like to play Scandinavian opening. So, why don't you play something like it against e4? Here's the Budapest Gambit, very similar to the Scandinavian:

BillyIdle

The opening like the Scandinavian in the Queens Pawn Opening comes if White playes the Blackmar Diemer Gambit, but White would have to accomodate.  1. d4  d5   2. e4  dxe

BillyIdle

An easy defense to the Queen Pawn Opening is the Horowitz Defense (especially if you like the French Defense).

1. d4  e6   2. c4  c5

It does differ from the Benoni Defense depending on White's response.

I prefer playing the Modern Benoni Reversed, with the move in hand.  The Reversed Grunfeld and Benko Gambit Reversed aren't bad either, after 1. Nf3.

The Horowitz Defence was played rather frequently by Alekhine in 1908.

paulified22
lastwarrior2010 wrote:

this is very simple

 


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