For 1 b3 Nf6, Jobava doesnt play 3 Nc3, but 3 c4 double financetto....which is no longer 'Larsen'....but a weak Bg2 opening.
As far as "analysis" goes, the internet is filled with pretenders with low strategy scores. Like if you dont play bullet style you are now a clown....or is this Lyudmil's secret chess? Who knows and who cares.
He at least played that line once in a blitz game. Don't blame me if I'm wrong.
Larsen's Opening is TOTAL GARBAGE! White gets equality at best! There is one line where White does get a draw pretty much by force, but it's the White King hanging by a thread, not the Black one. Otherwise, in pretty much any other line, Black's better.
The highest rated player I've ever beaten over the board was a result of him getting punished for playing this stupid opening (and playing a dubious 11th move instead of the draw line with 11.Nxc6 and then a blunder on move 12)!
Your game does not show something white should have played instead of the dubious Bxc6
It isn't very strong. at all. It doesn't occupy the centre and it cuts out a diagonal for the Qd1.
We don't live in the early 1900's when the center is still a debate. Instead, we can occupy the center with pawns (Classical approach, ex: 1.e4, 1.d4, 1.c4, 1.f4) or control the center with pieces (hypermodern approach, ex: 1.Nc3, 1.Nf3, 1.b3, 1.g3)
Larsen's Opening is TOTAL GARBAGE! White gets equality at best! There is one line where White does get a draw pretty much by force, but it's the White King hanging by a thread, not the Black one. Otherwise, in pretty much any other line, Black's better.
The highest rated player I've ever beaten over the board was a result of him getting punished for playing this stupid opening (and playing a dubious 11th move instead of the draw line with 11.Nxc6 and then a blunder on move 12)!
Your game does not show something white should have played instead of the dubious Bxc6
and I have actually said the reason.
Larsen's Opening is TOTAL GARBAGE! White gets equality at best! There is one line where White does get a draw pretty much by force, but it's the White King hanging by a thread, not the Black one. Otherwise, in pretty much any other line, Black's better.
The highest rated player I've ever beaten over the board was a result of him getting punished for playing this stupid opening (and playing a dubious 11th move instead of the draw line with 11.Nxc6 and then a blunder on move 12)!
Doesn't the typical 11...Bg4 12.Bxf6 Qe6 stuff win a ton of material?
11.Nd3 is a bad blunder.
And honestly, while Black may be objectively OK, I'm not very fond of the position after (1.b3 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 d5 4.Bb5 Bd6) 5.Nf3!
3...Nf6 4.Bb5 Bd6! is a better way to seek an advantage as Black. Unless I miss something big, this is the line Mikhalevski advocates in his "Beating Minor Openings" book. So far, I had just one chance to test it, in a correspondence game.
Stockfish calls 11. Nd3 a mistake:
https://www.chess.com/analysis?diagram_id=5248146
I would like to see Leela and Stockfish play about 100 games with this opening. Patrick may be right about the opening, but his game is not proof. He played well and with some errors by his opponent, had an excellent win.
How? In the Larsen's opening, I usually employ my queen in one of these squares: e2, e1, f3, g3, h4, and d1! There is no need to put the queen on a4.
And it depends on your style. I like taking risks and that's why I play e4 a lot. But I also prefer positional play. 1.b3 is agressive and positional.
In the final position u evaluate as winning for white (post 48), after Qe8, it is almost winning for black...
Typical with you, u always see from your side.
Try again...
In the final position u evaluate as winning for white (post 48), after Qe8, it is almost winning for black...
Typical with you, u always see from your side.
Try again...
There is nothing for him to try... the poor boy is sleeping when publishing his "analysis".
A couple of moves before the position you have mentioned (and where Black is of course winning) Black is blundering a fat piece with 15...Ne7?? and white does not bother picking it (17.Nxe4 instead of 17.Nxd5??).
Oh IM pfren I missed that.
15...Nxc3 is the best move but after 16.Bxc3 black has trouble defending d5, thus, white wins a pawn.
I like this position practically for white, and have played it a few times myself, but im not fond of early d4. bxe5 or maybe even nc3 intending castling either side is better.
If Tony Miles can beat Karpov with the St. George defense, then almost any opening is ok even at the GM level. Bobby Fischer said, "e4 is best by test", but he played d4 as white against Spassky. So the best opening, by Fischer's example, is the one your opponent is least prepared for. Laren's is a fine opening.
Larsen's Opening is TOTAL GARBAGE! White gets equality at best! There is one line where White does get a draw pretty much by force, but it's the White King hanging by a thread, not the Black one. Otherwise, in pretty much any other line, Black's better.
The highest rated player I've ever beaten over the board was a result of him getting punished for playing this stupid opening (and playing a dubious 11th move instead of the draw line with 11.Nxc6 and then a blunder on move 12)!
Saying an opening is garbage because white is equal is a trash opinion. Is 1. d4 garbage because black can play the Grünfeld against it and equalize? Is 1. e4 garbage because black can play the Sicilian against it and equalize? A garbage opening is something that's losing right off the bat like the Grob or the Bongcloud.
Also, just because something is "equal" according to the engine doesn't mean it's actually equal in practice - you have to you know...actually play the game out and prove it and it's a lot easier for Black to overextend and muck up their position than it is for white in 1. b3. If I played it against you in a 15/10 game you would get ROFLstomped (I'm higher rated than you in OTB).
Oh my god, you know my major opening? I took 17 rooks, 2 bishops, and 9 checkmates using this opening!
thrillerfan. as always your opinions must be taken with a grain of salt, i have never seen such a bad larsen player with such a high rating. those lines are pretty darn easy to play as white, (so much so that these lines are actually completely playable one tempi down as black!). everyone who plays this stuff knows about the poison pawn in those lines. you are supposed to play nc3 and white keeps first move advantage (not to mention the unbalanced game he wants!)
After 8. Nc3 (which I presume to be the move you’re referring to) the game is still essentially perfectly equal, but yes ThrillerFan does have a vendetta against lines which allow Black equality, even though he plays the Polish.
The first game that I played against the Larsen's gave me a very poor opinion of this opening.
Of course, my opponent played very poorly.
3.e3 and white must be at least equal. After 3...Nc6 4.Bb5 Bd7 5.f4 white has a slightly better position.