Smyslov King's Indian recommendations.

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I've always played badly as white against the King's Indian defense, and I've been trying to find a setup I like really well where Black doesn't get the standard kingside play.

I've been trying out the Smyslov setup with Bg5 and e3 and like my positions so far. I wanted to look for general advice from people who play with or against the Smyslov system.  I have a few specific questions.

1. What are some good resources out there to learn the Smyslov?

2. What in your opinion are good plans in positions where Black plays Nc6 rather than Nbd7, as in the following diagram.  In particular is it good to try to get in d5 quickly or keep the pawn tension.

3. In positions like the following where black plays for c5 instead of e5, I've heard some recommend playing d5 and going into a Benoni.  Is this usually the best plan for white or are there other good options?


4. Is the Smyslov suitable for a U2000 USCF player like myself, or is it too advanced?

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Great point!

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Yusupov covers it in his training book series, I think one of the advanced Green books. Don't know a specific opening book about it

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MichaelMarmorstein skrev:
 

3. In positions like the following where black plays for c5 instead of e5, I've heard some recommend playing d5 and going into a Benoni.  Is this usually the best plan for white or are there other good options?



I recently started looking at this with white, and i would recommend this

There are a few videos from Varuzhan Akobian on SaintLouisChessClub's channel.

Here is a trap shown in one of the videos

Another thing i would like to add is maybe 4. Bg5 is more accurate, because it avoids the immediate h6


Also in the main line after 10.Bd3 there is a forced draw, if you're playing against a higher rated player



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Forgot to say after 14. Qh7 Kf7

 

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TwoMove wrote:

Yusupov covers it in his training book series, I think one of the advanced Green books. Don't know a specific opening book about it

Thanks!  That looks promising.  Looks like I can get that digitally which is a bonus.  

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I'm also considering to play it in order to avoid huge kingside attacks that I can face after playing 1.c4 2.Nc3 3.g3 against a KID set-up. It seems to be a solid and safe variation (so also a drawish one, nothing is perfect), that keeps the option of castling on the Queen's side. 

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ApolL26 wrote:
MichaelMarmorstein skrev:
 

3. In positions like the following where black plays for c5 instead of e5, I've heard some recommend playing d5 and going into a Benoni.  Is this usually the best plan for white or are there other good options?



I recently started looking at this with white, and i would recommend this

There are a few videos from Varuzhan Akobian on SaintLouisChessClub's channel.

Here is a trap shown in one of the videos

Another thing i would like to add is maybe 4. Bg5 is more accurate, because it avoids the immediate h6


Also in the main line after 10.Bd3 there is a forced draw, if you're playing against a higher rated player



Thank you so much for the detail in your answer.  I really appreciate the advice, thanks for the move order tips and the traps.  Actually, watching one of Akobian's lectures was kind of the starting point for me deciding to play the Smyslov. 

It seems like an opening that has a lot of rich ideas(knight outpost on d6 sometimes or a weak f5 square if Black plays h6 g5.  Akobian had some subtleties with where to put the rooks that I thought were interesting too.

Anyway, really grateful for the lines you supplied!

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A-mateur wrote:

I'm also considering to play it in order to avoid huge kingside attacks that I can face after playing 1.c4 2.Nc3 3.g3 against a KID set-up. It seems to be a solid and safe variation (so also a drawish one, nothing is perfect), that keeps the option of castling on the Queen's side. 

Yeah, for me, nothing is too drawish.  I tend to play pretty weak when I am attacked, but don't mind playing an equal endgame.

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Hi! You should play f3 and g4 before black plays f5. It really shuts down counterplay. I play KID on black side many times happy.png