Solid Repertoire For Beginners Against 1. d4 (Black)?

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RealNoah
Duckfest wrote:

Great question, OP! I’m sort of struggling with the same question.

Like you, I’ve rediscovered chess after a long period of absence. The meta game had changed and it felt like a perfect opportunity to re-program myself. For white I chose the London system and I love it. It provides a great structure and is versatile. I can grab wins with a sudden tactical attack on the queenside or, after castling queenside go for all sort of kingside attacks. For black I chose to learn the Caro-Kann as the main response to 1.e4.  Where in London, because of the setup and playing as white, it’s rather difficult to blunder, playing  Caro-Kann was a more challenging journey. As the reactive player, black, requires a lot more opening knowledge.

Which posed the question what to do about 1.d4 as black?  

I chose the Englund gambit. Why? First of all, I didn’t want another ‘system’ or ‘family of openings’. I’m investing a lot of time on studying London and Caro-Kann (and all variations!), I didn’t want to add another rabbit hole to my chess homework. In the Englund (main line with 3. …Qe7) you only need to know just a handful of lines and you’re good to go. Possible outcomes: A decent amount of your games (especially at your level) will just be instant wins. Occasionally, you will face a player that knows the opening and you will lose. The rest is open for the taking. What I like about this opening is that even when your opponent doesn’t fall for the trap, which is most of the time, his advantage is only +1 or +2. With his structure and plans completely destroyed, there is a game to be played in a position unfamiliar to both.

In summary: No need to study, just 10-20% instant wins and 80% of games without preparation for both, just a game to be played on instinct and tactics.

Just to be  clear, I’m sharing my own experience. Englund Gambit is not a viable option at the higher rating levels, that’s why I’m looking into alternatives. It is still winning for me, at 1400 rapid, though it probably shouldn’t. Take this a suggestion, not a recommendation.

Hm... The Englund looks interesting, but it tends to have not so great of a reputation of being unsound. Especially in rapid games, where your opponent gets to think a lot more and make less mindless choices, the Englund might not be for me. I will take a look at it though. Thanks for the suggestion!

TwoMove

For the Tarrasch the two defeats of Kasparov by Karpov are always mentioned. In the first game shown earlier in thread, Karpov produced one of the best endgame performances ever seen in a World championship game. Even then Kasparov missed several, increasingly study like defenses in the endgame. 17...d4 probably equalises fully for black, and as played black's position was still playable.

In the second game shown, which I think was the earlier game in the match, black didn't have many opening problems at all. 35...Rc2 was an outright blunder in an equal position, Kasparov intended 35...QxQ 36RxQ Rc2 but accidentally moved the rook first.

KeSetoKaiba
TwoMove wrote:

For the Tarrasch the two defeats of Kasparov by Karpov are always mentioned. In the first game shown earlier in thread, Karpov produced one of the best endgame performances ever seen in a World championship game. Even then Kasparov missed several, increasingly study like defenses in the endgame. 17...d4 probably equalises fully for black, and as played black's position was still playable.

In the second game shown, which I think was the earlier game in the match, black didn't have many opening problems at all. 35...Rc2 was an outright blunder in an equal position, Kasparov intended 35...QxQ 36RxQ Rc2 but accidentally moved the rook first.

Interesting perspective. For sure, Kasparov didn't equalize when they perhaps might have been able to. Even more important than the exact game analysis though is the perception of analysis. By this I mean that it might be more significant that Kasparov seems to have given up on the Tarrasch Defense after this point. It was his likely perception that the Tarrasch Defense is maybe not sound due to the isolated d-pawn troubles. 

For sure I believe the Tarrasch Defense is more than playable sub-2200 level or so and I always take it seriously. The burning question is: "Does Black have a better way to meeting the Queen's Gambit setups?" I think Black does have better options. Naturally, it would depend on play-style and preference, but I believe many openings give the Queen's Gambit White player an objectively more difficult time. Perhaps the Nimzo-Indian Defense, King's Indian Defense, Grunfeld Defense or even the sharp Slav Defense and its similar lines like the Semi-Slav Defense. 

arosbishop

I think you should reconsider the Dutch but only the Leningrad with g6. It is the only system there is which can be played against all major white opening moves like 1.d4, 1.c4 and 1.Nf3. If you learn it well it will serve you well up to 2000 rated players. Many play 2.Nc3 or some unsound h4 variation and both these can be well met. 2.Bg5 is also common but not very difficult to meet with for example 2.-g6 and then look a little extra on h4 variations. Mostly positional play as in your other openings and fun positions as well.

trw0311
I do well at ~1200 rapid with the Horwitz/French/English defense. I pick which one i go with by whites second move.
Kev67370

you can make an englund gambit

 

Arceusadi_69

1) Nimzo Indian d4 nf6 c5 e6 nc3 bb5

2) Slav: d4 d5 c4 c6(Play normally and aim for c5 break)

AadarshIyengar

I play Nimzo and Queens as I really love their set up. Queens Indian is probably my fav opening of all time to be honest so far. Thats a route I would definitely recommend. At your level, Queens Gambit is like never played so you could potentially try Accelerated Queens Indian? Maybe? But the QID can be played against many set ups like the London system. I hope this helps.

AadarshIyengar
Mattchessking09 wrote:

my variation after 1.d4 after about 10 moves

 

In the last couple moves, why not take the pawn with bishop so you can get an open file for it?

adityasaxena4

1.c5! Old Benoni Defence and then treat it like a Queens Gambit

TommyPeebles_07
adityasaxena4 wrote:

1.c5! Old Benoni Defence and then treat it like a Queens Gambit

Stop pretending you know the old benoni. You know the first move. Congrats.

adityasaxena4
TommyPeebles_07 wrote:
adityasaxena4 wrote:

1.c5! Old Benoni Defence and then treat it like a Queens Gambit

Stop pretending you know the old benoni. You know the first move. Congrats.

I play it all the time , d4 c5 (Old Benoni Defence) then I play b5 !

 

TommyPeebles_07
RealNoah wrote:

Hi, I’m mostly a beginner (rated ~900 rapid), but I like to have prepared a solid and simple repertoire for my openings. I usually play 1. d4 into the London for white, since it is pretty simple, I know the basic ideas of the opening, and it gets me into a playable middle-end game.

For black, I like playing the French against 1. e4, but have struggled to find something that fits me against 1. d4. I know there are things like the QGD/Slav/Semi-Slav against the QG (I usually play one of the three, though I feel like the Slav/Semi-Slav is much more simple in terms of development and middle-end game play), but I rarely, if ever, face the Queen’s Gambit in my games.

What would be a solid and simple opening against all 1. d4 openings (QG, London, etc.)? I have experimented with the Dutch and King’s Indian Defense a bit, but I feel like they aren’t really my style and also feel a bit complicated/risky for my level. I was also thinking maybe a going for a Queen’s Indian or Nimzo Indian route, though I have heard that they are also a bit complicated and can only be played against certain setups. Whenever I try to just play basic opening principles, my opponent usually gains the advantage and makes the position much more difficult to equalize and gain and actual advantage for black. It helps to have some solid ideas to base my openings on for me.

The only thing I could think of that might fit my style would be the Horwitz Defense (1. d4, e6; similar to the French which I play against 1. e4), which can transpose into the French, QGD, or other. Though I have not played it in my games because it seems a bit sketchy, especially against openings such as the London where you don’t immediately put 2 pawns straight in the center. What opening against all 1. d4 setups might be good for me and that I can/should try out?

Thanks.

 

(Edit: For context, I came back to chess after stopping for a few years, and it's been a few months since I returned to this game. I also sometimes like to test some openings against bots to see generally how games might go using them.)

A 900 doesn't know the "Semi Slav". Not to sound rude, but you're a beginner, and nobody at that level plays the "Nimzo Indian". Stop focusing on openings, focus on not blundering your queen. Then you'll make it to 1000 elo easily.

TommyPeebles_07
AadarshIyengar wrote:

I play Nimzo and Queens as I really love their set up. Queens Indian is probably my fav opening of all time to be honest so far. Thats a route I would definitely recommend. At your level, Queens Gambit is like never played so you could potentially try Accelerated Queens Indian? Maybe? But the QID can be played against many set ups like the London system. I hope this helps.

You hardly know any theory at 900. Stop pretending you do.

Thunder7

Benoni has very less theory and it is solid challenges the centre too I m learning it as well and it has given me sucess so far