Some funny rare lines favoured by Stockfish

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MickinMD

Note that online Stockfish engines are usually set to look a small number of moves ahead - if you set Stockfish to look deeper, it doesn't recommend weird moves.

For example, using the great free Lucas Chess, I set Stockfish 8 to look 30 ply head and up to 15 variations after each move.  In the Indian, after 1 d4 Nf6 it likes 2 Bf4 best followed by 3 e3 and 4 Nf6 - basically the London System!  Lucas's Standard Deepfish 7 - a variation of Stockfish that supposedly is great when looking for short-term tactics - set to 10 ply prefers 2 Nf3 then 3 Bf4 and 4 e3 - the London System itself!

Here's the Lucas Chess Analysis window:

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xman720
csayant2014 wrote:
xman720 wrote:

I don't see any problem here, nor any problem with Stockfish's evaluations.

 

1: e4 e5 2: h3 (0.00)

This is a completely correct evaluation. White hasn't made any mistake at all, h3 is a perfectly unobjectionable move. However, he has given up his first-move advantage by not playing development. Of course, this move is completely objectionable in the sense that white could have played something much better (2: d4 2: Nf3 2: Nc3 2: f4 2: Bc4 etc.) but it doesn't give black a weakness to a attack or a positional help, which is why I said it's "unobjectionable". It just wastes a move that white could have used on something better and equalizes the position that was previously in white's favor.

 

This is true in all of the 2: h3 moves the computer gave as equal (or sometimes +0.1). The position is solid, so it doesn't do anything to help the opponent, but it wastes a move that could have been spent on something better and gives up first move advantage.

 

h3 is a BAD move (rather than just a waste of a move) in open or sharp positions where white's tempi need to be used constructively. For example, 1: e4 e5 2: f4 exf4 3: h3. This move is extremely bad because the position is sharp and demands immediate action from white. He can't afford to waste a move. I'm guessing 3: ...Qh4+ is a good way to continue. 

 

However, in positions where tempi come at a pretty low cost, rook pawn moves aren't bad at all, they just waste tempi and give up advantages centered around tempi.

 

stoxfish found you are an awesome player so he had choosen defensive variation  h3 and a3 sops night op to certain point and it is considered as per chess convention as a defensive move and weakening castled king or queenside etc. however if u have idea how to defend it where opponents want to exploit it . can you please share that ? 

There's nothing for black to exploit after 1: e4 e5 2: h3. The position is equal, white has given up his first move advantage and obtained equality. Black should simply make logical developing moves and once the middlegame is entered he will find himself with more options than he normally does.

Yigor

MickinMD: Following your suggestion, I've downloaded Lucas Chess. It's funny and there are many engines. Now I'll become the worst Boogeyman ever in the Opening Forum. evil.png

Yigor
PieceOfPoo wrote:
Yigor wrote:

MickinMD: Following your suggestion, I've downloaded Lucas Chess. It's funny and there are many engines. Now I'll become the worst Boogeyman ever in the Opening Forum.

I just want to smear a shiny, slimy booger right in between your eyebrows.

 

Pieceof... has decided to show the full extent of his "intelligence". grin.png

CheesyPuns

by one of the best you mean 9th?!nulllove your posts though wink.png

hajsjwbdjd

e4 e5 h3 prevent bg4.which is most king pawn game do.like ruy Lopez and Italian.

Yigor
CheesyPuns wrote:

by one of the best you mean 9th?!love your posts though

 

Yeah, well, I used Stockfish on lichess. Even in your diagram, moves #5-10 have close evaluations +0.04/-0.01. Actually, I like this, possibly malfunctioning, Stockfish on lichess. It gives some unorthodox ideas. wink.png

Yigor
DeirdreSkye wrote:

Unorthodox is good.

The bad is when you baptise "unorthodox" everything that is "wrong" just because you are unable to understand the difference.

Before you decide what is unorthodox , first try to understand what is "orthodox".

 

Pedantic and pretentious post. Are U a certified teacher of orthodox openings ?!?

Yigor
DeirdreSkye wrote:

With chess education and understanding less than zero (if that is even possible) how do you expect to tell if something is unorthodox or not?

 

Omg I'm such an antihero with my chess knowledge taking strictly negative values. blitz.pnggrin.pngtongue.png

Yigor
SylentSwords wrote:

I think 1.d4. Nf6. 2.h3 is primarily to prevent all the early opening variations that pin whites knight at Nf3 with Bg4. Then white can relax about that problem, and immediately formulate plans in the centre and beyond.

 

Yes, 2. h3 prevents Bg4 and also reserves the retreat square h2 for white DSB. Clear double utility! grin.png

Yigor
Optimissed wrote:

Not sure what your point is.

 

The famous mathematician David Hilbert said that "when the horizon of your consciousness shrinks to a single point, you obtain a so-called point of view". tongue.pngwink.png

poucin

So useful to prevent Bg4 when black is not able to play it...

Try again!

X : "what's the big idea of 1.g3?"

Y : " it prevents Qh4 so no scholar mate, so afraid of it u know!"

poucin
ItWillHappen a écrit :

What is wrong with you DeirdreSkye? Why are you so agressive? Yigor was just posting what he discovered and you immediately jumped into insulting him. sigh

Sorry but if u read all what Yigor says here and everywhere on this forum, u should know/discover that :

- he is indeed ignorant about chess : he tries to be clever or useful giving line by engine, using statistics and strange tools that he is the only one to preech and understand.

- While deirdre and other tries to give advice with what they know, sharing ideas, plans, games, etc... All the contrary.

- So 2 sides : some trying to teach, and Yigor telling things which are often wrong.

- Yigor continue his way and doesn't care what other think : u can't discuss with him.

- U will see that Yigor is just spoiling this forum, that's why deirdre and often me are agressive with him.

Kmatta

Yigor says a lot of things on these forums. All of them are absolute nonsense; similar to this thread. Occasionaly, someone asks something that everyone starts to argue about. Everyone tells the OP,"This is a stupid thread!" Some people can't get over it and admit that they were wrong. Look at the thread about being an expert to play the Sicilian. It has about 700 posts [I think, last time I checked was a month ago.] that were written in less than a week. Most of the posts were off topic and everyone got mad at "someone".

congrandolor

I thought you were talking about some actual lines like 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 e6 3 d4 cxd4 4 Nxd4 Nf6 5 Nc3 Bb4 6 Qg4

poucin

are u sure black is winning?

 

mckn3hd

Thx Yigor, these lines doesn't seem that bad. It's nice to have some variety.