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darkeast

darkeast

ı m checking opening books also  , but whats your opinions ? thanks

pestebalcanica

For our opininons?

darkeast

your knowladge then ..

pestebalcanica

we speak english, not bingo

darkeast

?? r u english ? mistakes may be done .. whats your point ? 

Sqod

Per Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarrasch_Defense) and one database, the position you posted is not a Tarrasch. Here is a comparison of your opening with a real Tarrasch:

your opening:

real Tarrasch:

Anyway, having said that, I claim that both White and Black can safely continue the symmetry for at least one more move from your position, with say 4. e3 Nf6:

As to which next move is "best," you would first have to specify the overall strategy. The main line for White from your first position is 4. cxd5, with the idea of handicapping Black with an isolated d-pawn, which is probably the most aggressive, win-oriented line. If White wants a draw, continuing the symmetry with 4. e3 is probably best.

pestebalcanica
SocratesSidekick
Sqod wrote:

Per Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarrasch_Defense) and one database, the position you posted is not a Tarrasch. Here is a comparison of your opening with a real Tarrasch:

your opening:

 

real Tarrasch:

 

Anyway, having said that, I claim that both White and Black can safely continue the symmetry for at least one more move from your position, with say 4. e3 Nf6:

 

As to which next move is "best," you would first have to specify the overall strategy. The main line for White from your first position is 4. cxd5, with the idea of handicapping Black with an isolated d-pawn, which is probably the most aggressive, win-oriented line. If White wants a draw, continuing the symmetry with 4. e3 is probably best.

all these openings names are kind of confusing. "tregubov defense"? lol I dunno, or "Sveshnikov Defense"? People have been playing 2.e6 for like a hundred years before Sveshnikov was even born.

Anyway, 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.c5 cxd5 4.exd5 5.Nc3 or 5.g3 transposes. 

pestebalcanica
Sqod
SocratesSidekick wrote:

all these openings names are kind of confusing. "tregubov defense"? lol I dunno, or "Sveshnikov Defense"? People have been playing 2.e6 for like a hundred years before Sveshnikov was even born.

Anyway, 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.c5 cxd5 4.exd5 5.Nc3 or 5.g3 transposes. 

If you have some varation names to offer, then please offer them instead of pointlessly complaining. I quoted those names to make it clear that they are not official names. I use such names for organizational purposes, and their database had no names for those positions, so I did the best I could.

pestebalcanica

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1119734

This is a legendary game in the Tarrasch

SocratesSidekick

Sqod wrote:

SocratesSidekick wrote:

all these openings names are kind of confusing. "tregubov defense"? lol I dunno, or "Sveshnikov Defense"? People have been playing 2.e6 for like a hundred years before Sveshnikov was even born.

Anyway, 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.c5 cxd5 4.exd5 5.Nc3 or 5.g3 transposes. 

If you have some varation names to offer, then please offer them instead of pointlessly complaining. I quoted those names to make it clear that they are not official names. I use such names for organizational purposes, and their database had no names for those positions, so I did the best I could.

I dunno. why not just call it queen's gambit declined? I don't see the importance in names but that's just me

X_PLAYER_J_X

It depends on the Database you use!

The above position is called the Queens Gambit Declined.

Inside of the Queens Gambit Decline their are different variations.

If white plays 3.Nc3 and black responses with 3...c5 like the below position

Than this line is called Queens Gambit Declined/Tarrasch Defense General

The above diagram is the most common line people talk about when refering to the Tarrasch Defense.

If white plays 3.Nf3 and black responses with 3...c5 like the below position

Than this line is called Queens Gambit Declined/Tarrasch Defense/Pseudo-Tarrasch


If you want to learn how to play the Tarrasch Defense you should check out Garry Kasparov's games in them.

If you want to learn how to defeat the Tarrasch Defense you should check out Anatoly Karpov's game against Garry! lol

Anatoly had some very nice wins against the Tarrasch if I remember correctly.

In fact, It is because of Anatoly Karpov that Garry Kasparov stopped playing the Tarrasch during their Title champonship matches.

pestebalcanica
erik

Tarrash in action...

 

Sqod

Thanks, X_PLAYER.

 

Those name modifications (...General and Pseudo-...) to distinguish between those Tarrasch-like variations helped me to clean up the names in my file and to clarify things a lot more.

 

You beat me to an explanation of how ambiguous several opening names are. For example, here's what I have for the Queen's Gambit Declined, using some of my own names to disambiguate...

 

1. d4 d5

2. c4 {Queen's Gambit.}

 

2...e6 {Queen's Gambit Declined, "Sveshnikov Defense." #1 pop. w 42%.}

2...c3 {Queen's Gambit Declined, Slav Defense. #2 pop. n 39%.}

2...Nc6 {Queen's Gambit Declined, Chigorin Defense. #4 pop. w 44%.}

2...Nf6 {Queen's Gambit Declined, Marshall Defense. #5 pop. w 65%.}

2...e5 {Queen's Gambit Declined, Albin Counter-gambit. #6 pop. w 48%.}

2...Bf5 {Queen's Gambit Declined, Grau Defense. #7 pop. w 45%.}

2...c5 {Queen's Gambit Declined, Symmetrical Variation. #8 pop. w 52%.}

 

Another bad name because of its overambiguity is the Three Knights Game...

 

1. e4 e5

2. Nf3 Nc6

3. Nc3 {Three Knights Game.}

 

3...Bc5 {Three Knights Game, "Romanishin Defense." #2 pop. b 43%.}

3...Bb4 {Three Knights Game, "Schlechter Defense." #3 pop. w 42%.}

3...g6 {Three Knights Game, Steinitz Variation. #4 pop. w 38%.}

3...d6 {Three Knights Game. #5 pop. w 55%.}

3...Be7 {Three Knights Game. #6 pop. w 54%.}

3...a6 {Three Knights Game. #7 pop. w 46%.}