The Barbarian

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Yes this opening is called the Barbarian because it breaks all rules of old-school chess orthodoxy, but still sets up a horrible dynamic for black. The situation at the end is black's worst nightmare. Please give me some constructive criticism! Thanks!

P.S., as I say in the thing below, I am working on some variations for the second turn. There are a bunch of possibilities that black could do, but I am seeing if I can somehow beat them back with this same opening.

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As black to move, I could beat Kasparov in this variation.  Terrible.

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I agree.  O'brien would never agree to giving up a piece for so little compensation.

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I also I never saw the new movie, is it good?

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SchachMatt wrote:

I also I never saw the new movie, is it good?


Awful cinematography, the picture jerks all over the place. All the action is filmed too close-up.

 

I abandoned half way through.

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PrawnEatsPrawn wrote:
SchachMatt wrote:

I also I never saw the new movie, is it good?


Awful cinematography, the picture jerks all over the place. All the action is filmed too close-up.

 

I abandoned half way through.


Wow, exactly what I was afraid of.  Thanks for the heads up.

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Sorry this was my first attempt. Although I disagree with paul that it gives black a winning position (please explain, a simple movement of the pawn gets the king out of check). Black has not developed any of their pieces. AND REMEMBER!!! THIS IS ONLY IF BLACK FOLLOWS THROUGH ON CERTAIN MOVES!!! I understand there are other options, but it is kinda ridiculous for you to say that you are giving a piece up for so little compensation. it only takes 2 pieces to win. And besides, position is everything. So who cares if you lose a bishop? I would gladly give both for position. Perhaps you also missed the fact that the opening is one turn from over, and all black has brought out is a knight? As for the rest of you, how about you actually give some reasons as to why it is terrible instead of just saying it is. I asked for CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, not some guy saying that it's terrible and walking off. I realize that the first 2 turns have a lot of variations from what are listed here (and I said that TWICE in the post). IDK but kinda considering that it gives you good position in the center of the board, it kinda seems pretty good to me...

 

P.S. This isn't an opening that anyone should use against someone pretty good at chess, but it is kinda innovative. Just becasue you bring the queen out early doesn't mean that it is bad. Besides, haven't you heard of something called the Italian Opening? Yeah, it brings out the queen early as well.

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Here is a variation of the Italian opening. In this the queen is brought out early for black. Hopefully this will go to show you that bringing out the queen early is not such a bad idea
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paulgottlieb wrote:

Actually, Black has already developed his Nc6 and after Ba6 he will have developed his B as well as making in awkward for White to castle kingside. On top of that, he's a piece ahead.

Please don't take all this personally, this is just my opinion about the position--not about you. Let's just talk about moves. After 6.b6 what would you suggest?  


 Resignation !! Seems the OP has no idea how to access the dynamic nor static elements contained in the position. To sac a piece in the opening ala the ( ruy lopez) you better have an Attack or one hell of a Bind that destroys your opponents developement , After ..b6 don't  forget to turn off the lights because the party is Over !!!!!   Cool

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paulgottlieb wrote:

Actually, Black has already developed his Nc6 and after Ba6 he will have developed his B as well as making in awkward for White to castle kingside. On top of that, he's a piece ahead.

Please don't take all this personally, this is just my opinion about the position--not about you. Let's just talk about moves. After 6.b6 what would you suggest?  


 Wait a sec, how can the bishop get to 6... Ba6 when there is a pawn in the way?

But, i get what you are saying. The Bishop will be defended by the rook. However, I could just move my queen to 7. Qa4, keeping the pressure on the knight and skewering the bishop and rook. also, I could just also play 8. c4 if I wanted further defense. The bishop could not attack it for fear of losing the rook.

I understand, however, why castling would be awkward. The bishop could just attack the rook, getting away with a piece of higher value.

Please don't think im offended :-). You are acting more rationally than everyone else.

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[NOTE: if he is an idiot and moves Nf6, just do the classic Alekhine's defense (pawn to e5) and play as you normally would].

OMG!!!So you mean all those who play Alekhine's defence are idiot and by that you mean even Alekhine was also an idiot huh?!?Surprised I would rather say the one who plays the given opening {Barbarian} is idiot.

And in your given opening its black's move and he will develop his second piece making it 1:2 ratio of development as white's queen is gonna be chased away. Another point is you have given black's rook a semi open file!!!

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mateologist wrote:
paulgottlieb wrote:

Actually, Black has already developed his Nc6 and after Ba6 he will have developed his B as well as making in awkward for White to castle kingside. On top of that, he's a piece ahead.

Please don't take all this personally, this is just my opinion about the position--not about you. Let's just talk about moves. After 6.b6 what would you suggest?  


 Resignation !! Seems the OP has no idea how to access the dynamic nor static elements contained in the position. To sac a piece in the opening ala the ( ruy lopez) you better have an Attack or one hell of a Bind that destroys your opponents developement , After ..b6 don't  forget to turn off the lights because the party is Over !!!!!  


 I don't understand...

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Chess_Lover11 wrote:

[NOTE: if he is an idiot and moves Nf6, just do the classic Alekhine's defense (pawn to e5) and play as you normally would].

OMG!!!So you mean all those who play Alekhine's defence are idiot and by that you mean even Alekhine was also an idiot huh?!? I would rather say the one who plays the given opening {Barbarian} is idiot.

And in your given opening its black's move and he will develop his second piece making it 1:2 ratio of development as white's queen is gonna be chased away. Another point is you have given black's rook a semi open file!!!


 No that is definitely not what I'm saying. I am saying that it is idiotic for him to bring out the knight, when I can use Alekhine's defense to push it back.

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Perhaps I forgot to mention that I have won THREE games with this?

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NoahBogosh wrote:
Chess_Lover11 wrote:

[NOTE: if he is an idiot and moves Nf6, just do the classic Alekhine's defense (pawn to e5) and play as you normally would].

OMG!!!So you mean all those who play Alekhine's defence are idiot and by that you mean even Alekhine was also an idiot huh?!? I would rather say the one who plays the given opening {Barbarian} is idiot.

And in your given opening its black's move and he will develop his second piece making it 1:2 ratio of development as white's queen is gonna be chased away. Another point is you have given black's rook a semi open file!!!


 No that is definitely not what I'm saying. I am saying that it is idiotic for him to bring out the knight, when I can use Alekhine's defense to push it back.


 btw he won't take the Knight back anyway if he knows what he is playing and its not idiotic at all to bring out that knight, its a well known opening.

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NoahBogosh wrote:

Perhaps I forgot to mention that I have won THREE games with this?


 Thats good but if you really want to improve better don't stick to it.

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I don't see how that knight opening helps at all, but anyway...

It is effective because people think it looks weak. That is why all of these people are saying that it stinks. People laugh when they see it, but are surprised when they are brought down with a few deft moves

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Aaaah! been a while since we've had one of these.

 

The Old "I'm-a-complete-noob-but-I-still-know-much-more-than-you-experienced-and-stronger-players" Attack.

I believe this is the "I'm-not-listening" Variation.

 

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Yea dude, atleast do take advice of people who are 1000+ rating above you(like above one).