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The Bird mine lines. 🐦‍⬛

And that's the main lines hope you enjoyed. And remember fly high with the bird. 🐦‍⬛

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None of these lines are really main lines.

d5 + Nc6 with a Black pawn on c7 is pretty mediocre Black set ups.

incorrect, the nc6 bg4 set up is one of the best ways to play vs the bird. the problem is that black is allowing doubled c pawns when black can play qd6 or qd7 and not allow pawns doubled.
d5 c5 gives white way too much control over the e5 square which is exactly what he is hoping for. To get nimzo-indian style counterplay on the dark squares with a tempo up.

But this reflects one of the issues with 1.f4 . if black knows what he is doing, it is WHITE who has to be booked up to mantain dynamic equality. Trying to wing it and play naturally vs half a dozen possible set ups could land white in a slightly worse position. I respect people willing to put it in the work to make it viable, it just isnt it for me. I already have enough hypermodern offbeat openings with white with similar workloads to add yet another one. Who knows though, if i ever add the dutch to my repertoire, 1.f4 may be a freebie.

Can't black play Nd7 and c6 if needed?

Also, where is the Fromm's Gambit?

playable of course but i suspect if nd7, a transposition to a stonewall leaves the queen knight misplaced.
From's gambit is probably something white wants.

The squeaky Fromm is very dangerous.

First time, but yeah

I am going to have to disagree with you.

In my opinion, The Main Black line which crushes the Bird is the Kings Fianchetto line.

It’s the same line White side players use against the Dutch except with the Black pieces.

Don’t get me wrong!

I know d5 + Nc6 + Bg4 is a line.

People do same thing vs. Dutch.

d4 + Nc3 + Bg5 - It has been played!

But still I think those lines are weak!

Totally Mediocre and Sad!

These Bg lines need more Queso Sauce because they are just Weak Sauce to me.

Maybe, I am biased because I am Kings Fianchetto fan.

I find it funny the OP shows what he does against these Nc6 + Bg4 lines, but he doesn’t show what he does against the Fianchetto lines!

Leaves a lot of room for speculation if you ask me!

Maybe, The OP doesn’t show what he does against the Fianchetto lines because it’s hard to show the Forum Reading Audience how to Resign!

Have to agree with compadre_j here. Fianchetto with c5 and d5 have been consistently strong and easy to play. It seems like white has control over e5, but if white plays the Leningrad lines black can just sack with …e5 followed by Ng4 with a good position. Or white might get hanging pawns on f4 and e4, which is quite strange and I’m not very convinced by the soundness of that structure.

I don’t play birds with b3 or e3, so I cannot really speak of those matters. Black can also avoid Bb5 by just delaying c5. I don’t see anything wrong with this approach.

against Nc6 and Bg4, I don’t see why white can’t just go into a stonewall. Maybe black might play f6 and e5? But that doesn’t seem right. And if he doesn’t play something like that, then I think he just doesn’t have enough pressure on the center.

Black can play against 1 f4 like a dutch a tempo down, which is fine (keep in mind that trying the ...Nh6 systems, when Nh3 is a very nice weapon against the normal Dutch) can be rather tricky a tempo down, since the normal counters vs an early d3 in the Bg2 lines (d6 as black without ...e6, and ...g6, which is a Leningrad), will not work the same way a tempo down (e.g. the line where Black goes for a quick ...e5 prematurely after White plays d5, and delays castling, and gets hit with some Qb3 variations). It's worth taking some time to look at the reversed colors lines in Stockfish to find a solution you are comfortable with.

White trying stonewall versions is no more effective than Black trying them, despite the tempo.

Black can also play Sicilian-type lines like 1...c5 if he prefers those.

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I like starting with Nf6 to prevent e4.

You could start with d5, but their is a Gambit line White can play.

I have seen people try the above against d5.

I don’t think the line is good for White, but you can avoid it with Nf6.

Nf6 + d5 are the 2 most universal moves by Black in my opinion.

- Dozen different lines can be played by Black which feature Nf6 + d5.

- Black position is completely hidden from White at this point.

- White doesn’t even have the slightest hint on what Black set up will be.

And how will White continue?

Black can adjust how he follows up based on white move.

I suppose the less committal move by White would be e3, but it does mean g3 is off the cards.

I have seen d4, d3, Be2, or b3 as main moves in this position.

I think d4 is probably the most popular among the different options.

The d4 move turns the position into more of a Stone Wall Attack position.

I think Black has reached Full Equality.

I feel like White needs to be very careful or Black might even start pulling ahead in this position.

I feel like White will have to commit to King Side Attack.

What other options does White have really?

In addition, Black’s Fianchetto King will be extremely difficult to break.

A Fianchetto King always has an extra defender vs. normal.

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In some ways, it’s very ironic.

The Bird Opening losing to a long ranged Sniper.

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The funny part is I use to struggle against the Bird.

I use to get wrecked so bad.

A International Master showed me this line and I never had troubles again.

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Out of the different moves White can play I think d3 might be the toughest one.

When you compare the moves d4, d3, Be2, or b3, The move d3 seems like the most passive one.

It doesn’t seem threatening at all.

Its a very solid, but quiet little move.

I think it’s pretty dangerous.

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With Colors Reversed, It would be called a Classical Dutch variation.

I don’t know if this move has a name.

I’d probably call it the Classical Bird.

The move d3 is a creepy crawly move and when people start playing creepy crawly moves that’s when your about to get completely destroyed.

Especially if your playing against title players!

So far I have been doing okay vs. d3, but it does make me very uneasy.

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Sometimes, Bird players try to play g3 going for a Leningrad Dutch sort of position.

I have been experimenting in that line.

So this is what the g3 line looks like with my move order.

Previously, I was playing g6 and I had some success doing that it’s not a bad approach.

However, I been trying a new approach to this line.

I have been thinking about playing this line more as a Kings Indian Attack position.

The above position is what a KIA looks like with White pieces and Black as you can see from above often tries to Blunt Bishop and make a Triangle set up with a Bg4 sort of move.

I have been trying to apply a similar concept to the Bird g3 line just to see what would happen.

The Funny part is when I try to play this position + check it over with an engine.

The Engine wants to play a funny Queen move.

Qb6?

Engines are such trolls!

The engine wants to stop white from castling and be annoying.

The funny part is I am thinking about doing it because I find the move so hilarious.

I don’t remember any line which does a Queen move like this vs. Leningrad Dutch?

Is their one?

I don’t know, but it’s so funny.

Sometimes, Applying other color positions and concepts to different lines can be similar and sometimes, due to white having first move their are wrinkles in the position which create unique situations which are often not present in the other color complex.

Its very interesting nonetheless.

It makes me wonder if the OP plays g3? And if they do play g3 have they seen Qb6?

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