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sndeww

GM is GM. If he's a GM that means he beats GMs. The Bird's cant be refuted simply because of its double edged nature.

sndeww

That still doesn't "refute" the Birds.... but its true, he's not a "top dog" GM.

sndeww

How does the Bird's lose? By weakening some diagonals to the king? All f4 moves do that... It's double-edged at worst.

sndeww

White plans something similar to the King's Indian Attack, with a pawn storm to the king after h3-g4, or white can build up an attack after f5. I don't see anyone criticizing the King's Indian for the f2-f4 push. (or f7-f5). And the Bird's is simply the Dutch with an extra tempo, and the Dutch is perfectly fine for black

sndeww

i said kings indian attack, but your point is true.

sndeww

Daimianos defense loses by force. Birds opening takes time.

An_asparagusic_acid
SNUDOO wrote:

Daimianos defense loses by force. Birds opening takes time.

It doesn't:

 

An_asparagusic_acid
Nyanut wrote:

An_asparagusic_acid wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:

Daimianos defense loses by force. Birds opening takes time.

It doesn't:

 

This position is losing for black If you would like to play it against me with your engine in an unrated game I will beat you and your choice of engine over the board.   It's completely busted,  sorry.

It says that you are not accepting challenges.

sndeww

@nyanut like i said, na3 -> nc2 -> Bd2 is better for white. I got overzealous with e4?!

sndeww

 

sndeww

 An opening advantage does not refute an opening. A -0.2 does not make much difference in practical play, and Qe1 is supposed to support e4.

An_asparagusic_acid
SNUDOO wrote:

 An opening advantage does not refute an opening. A -0.2 does not make much difference in practical play, and Qe1 is supposed to support e4.

BTW, how do you insert Images into your about me?

sndeww
Nyanut wrote:

This isn't the bird's opening but it DOES illustrate how running the F pawn can create a lag in development and some of the ways to wrench a position open where White in the birds or black in the dutch needs the position to stay closed while they "Catch up"

well I mean considering I have played the Dutch 7 times in my life and zero times in that line... I don't think that's a good example.

sndeww
An_asparagusic_acid wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:

 An opening advantage does not refute an opening. A -0.2 does not make much difference in practical play, and Qe1 is supposed to support e4.

BTW, how do you insert Images into your about me?

the little picture icon is there

sndeww
Nyanut wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:
Nyanut wrote:

This isn't the bird's opening but it DOES illustrate how running the F pawn can create a lag in development and some of the ways to wrench a position open where White in the birds or black in the dutch needs the position to stay closed while they "Catch up"

well I mean considering I have played the Dutch 7 times in my life and zero times in that line... I don't think that's a good example.

The way I punished you was very thematic and very instructive

 

That's true, but like I said if I was more familiar with the opening it wouldn't have happened.

sndeww
Nyanut wrote:

*video of leela chess absolutely destroying the Fish*

At least stockfish thinks it's viable. Besides, who knows what engines think.

sndeww
Nyanut wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:
Nyanut wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:
Nyanut wrote:

This isn't the bird's opening but it DOES illustrate how running the F pawn can create a lag in development and some of the ways to wrench a position open where White in the birds or black in the dutch needs the position to stay closed while they "Catch up"

well I mean considering I have played the Dutch 7 times in my life and zero times in that line... I don't think that's a good example.

The way I punished you was very thematic and very instructive

 

That's true, but like I said if I was more familiar with the opening it wouldn't have happened.

We're at very different levels,   don't beat yourself up over 2 games.   You didn't have a chance

I had 92 accuracy in the first game, 88 in the next. I think I was ok.

sndeww

the dominance assertion is happening

 

sndeww

10 minute blitz destroys premoves

sndeww
Nyanut wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:

10 minute blitz destroys premoves

That isn't real blitz.

on chess.com blitz is blitz... if you don't like 5 min there's 10 min =)