After listening from many players about the success of black by playing it, I tried it but found one of my opponents playing this 3.f4, I didnt get what to do ahead. and got to a conclusion that black have a bad position over here. Will anyone please let me know the other possibilities after this f4 which might help black?

1...e5 is a stupid move that loses a juicy pawn for nothing, and 2...Qe7 an even more stupid one.

In any case, 3.f4 isn't terribly bright, either (3.Nc3 and/or 3.Nf3 are enough for a crushing advantage), but nevertheless almost anything is good against 2...Qe7.

Try playing less speculatively.

is one of them 3.Nf3 ?

Yes it is, corrected.

thanx pfren for the advice, but i found myself worst when i see white with 1.d4, can you suggest me the best opening against d4?

There are no best openings... just sound and unsound ones.

Pick a sound and simple one, and try understanding its main ideas and development schemes. No variation memorization, leave that to the pros. At your ;level, the opening plays a very minor role to your chess development.

alright, thank you! will practice!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FO2cIlD9Rs  i found it over here!

Yes, I think if black knew white would play f4 then black might go for the Englund.

White can play 4.Bg5 with a large advantage, since 4...Qb4+ 5.Nc3 Qxb2 6.Bd2 poses white only technical difficulties- objectively Black's position is already dead lost.

Of course the same can be achieved via a different move order: 4.Bf4 Qb4+ (mentioned in the previous post) 5.Bd2 Qxb2 6.Nc3.

Can we call this miserable position "black's best try for any advantage"?

so gambitlover says englund gambit a good opening but pfren is against it. what's the final call? good or bad? maybe it can be decided by a match? cant it be?

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e5 is a LOT sounder and unrefuted

One of the better things that can be said about this gambit is that it will surely develop your fighting skills! Also, once you change from this opening to a different one, you will only see improvement!

I don't think there's anything wrong with 1.f4. I think that my great score against it is solely due to selection bias.

 thx 4 posting

(too druvvv)

the englund is basically one of those offbeat openings that the 

new stronger computer have put out of business. I you are looking 

for something that is sound but still offers sharp play against 1.d4

try the Ng4 lines of the budapest gambit> Some of the endgames

that black gets are not that great, but overall it is a sound opening.

You could also try the slav too, there are alot of sharp lines but

you will prob have too book up on that one. But with a decent 

program that comes with a database u should do allright with it.

later

goommba88

In past i tested Fajarowicz gambit,   1.d4 Nf6 2. c4 e5 3. dxe5 Ne4 . It´s similar to Budapest. The problem is the line  4. Nd2 . 

Budapest Gambit is very known and u need a good memory to remember all the lines.  I never found it useful .   

Against 1.d4 the tactical players will always problems to open the board.  1...e5 is the single solution .

Anyway , at moment i played about  500 games with englund and nobody played me the critical line with 8. Nd5 .  So is profitable play this line. 

@jurassicmc

I thought the problem line in the Fajarowicz was 4.a3 followed by 5.Qc2.

What do you mean by "the critical line with 8.Nd5".