The f5 Opening

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Jion_Wansu

TheGreatOogieBoogie I've actually won with this opening plenty of times

Fairy_Princess

Why so many people tossing around new names for the Fred?

Playing an even worse move than standard Fred theory on move two doesn't make it some other opening altogether.  It just makes it an even worse Fred.

Jion_Wansu
Fairy_Princess wrote:

Why so many people tossing around new names for the Fred?

Playing an even worse move than standard Fred theory on move two doesn't make it some other opening altogether.  It just makes it an even worse Fred.

My opening is not the Fred, The Fred/Phred has different lines. It's like saying that the French is the same as Najdorf or something

Jion_Wansu

Any masters or grandmasters want to play as black with this openig and tell us what they think...

Jion_Wansu
Bavarian Attack

 

Holzsteiner Partie

 

Castle Defense




Argente

Of course this opening is just losing, but presumably the lesser evil  if you wanted to play it in very fast time controls would be  2...Nf6 and 3...d5, where black may only be a pawn down for nothing against routine play. A couple of 2300s have even tried to play this way in opens, though with deservedly bad results.

Jion_Wansu

Let's play

Jion_Wansu

:)

Jion_Wansu

I win a lot in bullet with this...

Jion_Wansu

Anyone want to try this OTB?

falcogrine

OTB? No. In a live blitz game? If I'm feeling adventurous that day :)

Jion_Wansu

Is back

falcogrine

i dont think this thread will ever die

Jion_Wansu

I asked Hikaru if he would use this as black in blitz or bullet... Let's see what he says...

Jion_Wansu

http://www.chess.com/emboard?id=1369500

 

This doesn't work

 

What is black's move after 9. Qxh8




Jion_Wansu

Yup, I should publish this ;)

falcogrine

yep

aggressivesociopath

I presume you mean 9...Nf6 because everything else auto loses to Qg8+ and h8=Q, but I still don't see your point. As long as White avoids 9. d4?? Bb4+ he is just up a lot of material and has threats.

Jion_Wansu

I see. Black must play h5 as a counter-move instead



Jion_Wansu

So, has anyone played this opening yet?