The f5 Opening

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VULPES_VULPES

No, I play black

falcogrine

Surprised

Mainline_Novelty

1.e4 f5 seems to be the modern version of the "pawn and move" handicap.

VULPES_VULPES

I don't see what's so bad about 1. ... f5. I may lose a pawn, but I gain the initiative.

falcogrine

What sort of threats do you usually generate?

Jion_Wansu
eve
rybody thinks white wins, but in reality black is attacking white's kingside early on with this opening
TheGreatOogieBoogie

I know people want to be original in the opening, but 1.e4,f5?? is not the way to go about it.  If you insists on being different then try 1.e4,Nc6 where black is at least still in the game, but of course it's suboptimal and 1...e5 1...c5 1...e6 1...d6 1...g6 1...c6 and 1...d5 are all superior options to it, but are all orthodox. 

falcogrine

Try an interesting variation of the Sicilian if you want to be different.

Mainline_Novelty
falcogrine wrote:

Try an interesting variation of the Sicilian if you want to be different.

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cd 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 Qb6!?

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cd 4.Nxd4 d5!?

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nf6!?

just some ideas...

falcogrine

All better than 1. e4 f5!

Personally, I like the Accelerated (I don't know why), but I wouldn't say it is unusual.

katebrunotts

Calling this the German is really racist.

Jion_Wansu

How?

Mainline_Novelty

Robert Hübner wants to have a word with you, Mr. OP.

binblaster
Jion_Wansu wrote:
eve
rybody thinks white wins, but in reality black is attacking white's kingside early on with this opening

The reason everybody thinks white wins is because...white wins. White is up a pawn for no compensation. The black can't seriously consider castling kingside (not enough pawns are there anymore) so black will castle queenside. White can also castle queenside and black's attack is non-existent. White will be able to convert the extra pawn.

TheGreatOogieBoogie
falcogrine wrote:

Try an interesting variation of the Sicilian if you want to be different.

Agreed. 



Jion_Wansu
pfren wrote:
Jion_Wansu wrote:

How?

Because Germans are not morons to play like that.

 

EDIT: I'm German. Let me rephrase that, I'm Bavarian. That's why I have various sub variations like the Berlin, Bavarian Attack, etc.

 

I challenge all with this opening as black

Bavarian Attack as black:

binblaster
Jion_Wansu wrote:

I challenge all with this opening as black

 

I accept. Send me a 3 days per move challenge with me playing white (I won't play this opening as black).

Jion_Wansu

I only play live games of 3 minutes to 10 minutes on here

Jion_Wansu

bump

binblaster

It's a bad opening. There is nothing more to say.