7. d3 e5 8. Nd2 followed by nb3 or even ne4!? with the plan of developing the bishop to d2 should give white some advantage imho, i am not too familiar with the grobs opening, but i will say that white should be able in the long run able to convert the extra exchange.
Unless there is some crazy forcing variation there is no reason why white can not consolidate his extra exchange.
Are you talking about the variation I posted?
7. d3 e5 8. Nd2 followed by nb3 or even ne4!? with the plan of developing the bishop to d2 should give white some advantage imho, i am not too familiar with the grobs opening, but i will say that white should be able in the long run able to convert the extra exchange.
Unless there is some crazy forcing variation there is no reason why white can not consolidate his extra exchange.
I edited the game. There is no need to move the bishop.
why would Black ever consider 3...d4 when he could simply develop with Nf6, or go c6 or even e6? Garbage opening for White.
It doesn't change anything.
Nf6 is not any better than 3... d4.
I already checked these positions. The only difference seems to be about 0.05.
why would Black ever consider 3...d4 when he could simply develop with Nf6, or go c6 or even e6? Garbage opening for White.
they're both "normal" moves but after cxd5 (for both possibilities) followed by Qb3 white should be fine I think.
but then again this is the first 3 minutes of my life looking at the grob opening and what follows it.
why would Black ever consider 3...d4 when he could simply develop with Nf6, or go c6 or even e6? Garbage opening for White.
didnt even bother checking the moves, d4 looks bad, i think c6 for black gives a big advantage, no reason to think white is better, its a catalan without the g3 pawn thats all ;)
c6 leads to a different game though. This is more exciting.
What does black play after this?
Nd7?
grob = fail.
why would Black ever consider 3...d4 when he could simply develop with Nf6, or go c6 or even e6? Garbage opening for White.
didnt even bother checking the moves, d4 looks bad, i think c6 for black gives a big advantage, no reason to think white is better, its a catalan without the g3 pawn thats all ;)
Rybka gives my variation 0.08 compared to 0.29 with c6.
grob = fail.
How is it a fail? It's an even game.
Instead of taking the pawn, white is supposed to play Nc3.
what compensation does black have for the exchange then?
what compensation does black have for the exchange then?
What exchange?
Yes, from what i remember people talking about a year ago, they were saying white plays d3, brings knight out to the center, develops bishop to d2 or g5, and will be safe. The fritz gambit is surely interesting, but i highly doubt it is sound. b3 probably isnt even most accurate in that position. ShadowKnights knows whats up!!
Why is the bishop moving?
If 3. c4 c6 4. cxd5 cxd5 5. Qb3, 5...Nf6 6. Qxb2 Nd7 7. Nc3 e6 and Black has the lead in development and open files on the queenside, where White would have issues trying to castle kingside.
I just tried 3... d5 with Rybka. The position is a dead draw after the rook sac.
I even had it play a few games. It won in a few moves from the same exact position I posted.
It gives the position. 0.00
White's moves are limited.
There is no arguing with the silicon monster.
what compensation does black have for the exchange then?
What exchange?
yereslov, you should learn your chess terms. having the superiority of the rook against a minor piece imbalance is called the exchange.
what compensation does black have for the exchange then?
What exchange?
yereslov, you should learn your chess terms. having the superiority of the rook against a minor piece imbalance is called the exchange.
I know. I was wondering which position you were speaking of.
like most unusual openings, this one is definitely not bad for blitz, but in a regular time control setting this one in particular if Black thinks about it hard enough, he can get an advantage pretty easily.
The position seems to be even more solid than the French Defense.
I have been analyzing this position for a while.
It's all drawish. Where do you see an advantage?
The whole idea by white is a failure.
The Fritz is certainly insteresting but totally unneeded, as Black can simply play 3...c6 4.cd5 cd5 5.Qb3 Nf6 6.Nc3 (the direct 6.Qxb7 Nbd7 is probably even worse) e6 7.Qxb7 Nbd7, when one need not be a genius to see that white's opening extravaganza has earned him a clearly inferior position.
The whole idea by white is a failure.
The Fritz is certainly insteresting but totally unneeded, as Black can simply play 3...c6 4.cd5 cd5 5.Qb3 Nf6 6.Nc3 (the direct 6.Qxb7 Nbd7 is probably even worse) e6 7.Qxb7 Nbd7, when one need not be a genius to see that white's opening extravaganza has earned him a clearly inferior position.
Why choose the dull variation?
You should see the analysis I posted.
Does anyone else here play the Fritz Gambit?
I chose this variation because it's far flashier.