The Bowdler 1.e4 c5 2.Bc4 ! >:(

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IMKeto
Chris_E_S3 wrote:

It does not mean "diddly". The analysis can be used for every move and is seeing 20 moves ahead. Ever heard of centipawn loss? This is a 98 centipawn loss move. You can see which openings are best with the analysis. Even a 50 centipawn loss is quite a bad move. 

Yes i know and understand what all of that means.  And it is still diddly.  You...me...anyone posting in this forum topic is not going to win or lose because of a centipawn difference.  We are going to win or lose because of tacitcs, and blunders. 

You sound just like a guy i know.  He is a career C class player.  He scrutinizes every move just like your describing.  He will let an engine run for 2 days just so he can say that a move was .02 better.  We try to explain to him that none of that matter at his level, but he thinks it does.    And this is why he will never grow past being a C player.  He doesnt know how to study, doesnt know how to analyze with an engine, and thinks he needs to do the exact same thing GM's do. 

And name me one player that sees 20 moves ahead.

Chris_E_S3

There are tactics that follow 2Bc4 to kick the bishop and cause a loss of tempo... and it is not centipawns....it is almost a full pawn. That is why white only wins 20% of the time with the Bowdler and loses >60% of the time. In the game you are showing, black doesn't challenge the Bowdler so the bishop move is not a deciding factor. I am curious who you are referring to when you say "we". It doesn't take 20 moves to realize that Bc4 is a tempo-losing inaccuracy.  

IMKeto
Chris_E_S3 wrote:

There are tactics that follow 2Bc4 to kick the bishop and cause a loss of tempo... and it is not centipawns....it is almost a full pawn. That is why white only wins 20% of the time with the Bowdler and loses >60% of the time. In the game you are showing, black doesn't challenge the Bowdler so the bishop move is not a deciding factor. I am curious who you are referring to when you say "we". It doesn't take 20 moves to realize that Bc4 is a tempo-losing inaccuracy.  

We can agree to disagree on this.  See how easy that is!  No drama, no arguing, no attacks, no anger. 

ShamusMcFlannigan

@Chris_E_S3 It is usually not a good idea to use an engine like that.  Engines are notorious for being unreliable with openings, that's why openings are loaded into them.  Even endgames, where computers should shine, there are issues. I recently read a thread where engines not only missed Shirov's famous Bh3 move, but when the engine was forced to evaluate it, it was labeled as a blunder.  

Laskersnephew

Step 1:Magnus plays a simul against everyone in the thread and he agrees to play the Bowdler in every game. Step 2: Magnus scores 100% 

ShamusMcFlannigan
Laskersnephew wrote:

Step 1:Magnus plays a simul against everyone in the thread and he agrees to play the Bowdler in every game. Step 2: Magnus scores 100% 

I could teach that guy a thing or 2!  Just not about chess.

Laskersnephew

"I could teach that guy a thing or 2!  Just not about chess."

Me too! But I'm staying away from the chess board. No sense bringing a knife to an artillery fight

IMKeto

A few years ago a friend had the honor of playing Karpov in a simul.  This was not a in his prime Karpov.  It wasnt even a little past his prime Karpov.  This was a Karpov in his 60's.  He destroyed everyone in the simul.  You never saw a happier group of chess players. 

king5minblitz119147

i play the sicilian, and i have played against 2 bc4 a lot of times. i use the 2..e6 line, going immediately for d5 before white can move the bc4 so i can gain a tempo and usually end up with a kind of exchange french that i consider to be a better version for black. i don't play the french but the improved version of the exchange should be enough for me to try to win. i personally think this is the best black can get in the entire line. i have a problem with not playing e6 early or even later as i don't see how else i am going to organize my kingside. fianchettoing seems to justify bc4 and more so if white is able to hide the bishop on a2. going for a6-b5 will get hit with a4 later and still i have to deal with kingside development. hence only the e6 plan is left.

Batman2508
IMBacon wrote:

Here is the OP's latest debacle....I mean game against this horrible opening.  And once again, it wasn't the opening that decided the game.  It was tactics.

 

I don't understand how he blunderd after getting the c4  bishop

Bruh moment

Hotshot002

Ummm, please forgive me, but why would you put such strong language in your title?

Minecraftado

Openness doesn't make that much of a difference in the game, young man. you choose how to change your chances with black. If you are just trying the standard and technical game in a calm and calm way, you need to have a lot of level. try to take it to the normal craziness we low-rated players face on a daily basis. another tip is to abandon this Sicilian, play alekhine as you plan to play to win.

NikkiLikeChikki
You can’t make this stuff up. I played the Sicilian against e4, he played the Bowdler, I played e6 and he resigned on move two. I laughed so hard given this thread.
Chris_E_S3

Way to go Nikki. Perfectly played...

Uhohspaghettio1
Chris_E_S3 wrote:

It does not mean "diddly". The analysis can be used for every move and is seeing 20 moves ahead. Ever heard of centipawn loss? This is a 98 centipawn loss move. You can see which openings are best with the analysis. Even a 50 centipawn loss is quite a bad move. 

It means very little and you have no idea what you're talking about. 

Instead of asking other people if they know what a centipawn means, try asking yourself. What meaning is 1 pawn at the start of the game? What about the fact that you get totally different answers from different engines? 

Do you honestly think people here don't know what a centipawn is and that a computer just gives you the ultimate chess measurement? Whether a computer likes it or not a human is the one that has to actually play the position.  

Chris_E_S3

Which different answers do you get from different engines? Please answer with relevance to the Bowdler. I am curious if there is an engine that provides some support for 2. Bc4 

DasBurner

@Uhohspaghettio1 you still havent explained why I dont know what Im talking about

Skacricchess

Bowlder attack is a opening for white.

Uhohspaghettio1
DaBabysBurner wrote:

@Uhohspaghettio1 you still havent explained why I dont know what Im talking about

I did explain it to you - your analysis was garbage and you have no idea what you're talking about. If you don't agree with that then don't talk to me. 

DasBurner

was it qe2 that looked off to you? it pins the e pawn to prevent d5