The Grob's Attack, and Why We Don't Play it More???

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triggerlips
FaceCrusher wrote:

There was a player here in Indiana who played this often, in the Indiana State Championships even. I think it's a garbage opening, but here is the thing. If you play with just about any opening long enough, work out the obvious replies, then you can win a lot of your games with a crap opening just because most people will be surprised and had not prepared against it. 

Yeah not only that, it peeves people off, as they have to spend evening playing someone elses stuff, and often being in that negative space they do not play at their best

FaceCrusher
triggerlips wrote:
 

Yeah not only that, it peeves people off, as they have to spend evening playing someone elses stuff, and often being in that negative space they do not play at their best

 

I think that's actually it, you nailed it. You're sitting there, you've worked on all your openings, and you're pretty ready for anything, and they throw this crap on the board and you couldn't have been ready for it. You can't study everything, so you had to spend time on the important stuff. And what's more, what's really annoying, is that you know the opening is crap, but you know they've sat at their computer for probably weeks coming up with all the damned responses with Stockfish and you know, damned good and well, you're about to have a very difficult game, or lose, to this stupid opening. And they KNOW you think it's stupid, and they are counting on that very thing. It does kinda piss ya off really. 

MayCaesar

Wow, this thread is old!

 

I see no reason to play the Grob over a more solid Benko's opening (1. g3). It doesn't do anything that 1. g3 does not, other than setting up a naive pawn march on the king side, easily refuted by strong counterplay at the center, while at the same time forcing white to spend time attending the defense of that ugly pawn, weakening the black squares irreparably and, overall, not doing anything useful. After

 

 

White doesn't have a good continuation and has to resort to passive defense to even have a chance at surviving this.

 

Grob probably could work in blitz/bullet games, where white can launch a caveman attack on the king side and black doesn't have enough time to come up with proper refuting moves - but in standard games, let alone in daily/correspondence games, the Grob might as well be called "Seppuku opening". tongue.png 

triggerlips

 I know someone who used to play it in the British Correspondence champs, did fine with it. Before all you engine bunnies even existed

schachfan1
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schachfan1
triggerlips wrote:

 I know someone who used to play it in the British Correspondence champs, did fine with it. Before all you engine bunnies even existed

The engine does not look so scared concerning 1.g4, evaluating it after 2 hours' thinking only as little as appr. -0.30 for White ... In any case that shouldn't be a kind of some really unplayable position

LonerDruid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAdMS8RzcVs

pfren

1.g4? d5 and now white has to play the ugly move 2.h3, or else get a strategically lost position after 2.Bg2? Bxg4 3.c4 c6. The bad thing for white is that it is VERY EASY for Black to handle the position after 3...c6.

LogoCzar
pfren wrote:

1.g4? d5 and now white has to play the ugly move 2.h3, or else get a strategically lost position after 2.Bg2? Bxg4 3.c4 c6. The bad thing for white is that it is VERY EASY for Black to handle the position after 3...c6.

What about 1.g4 d5 2.Bg2 Bxg4 3.c4 c6 4.cxd5 cxd5 5.Qb3?

pfren
logozar έγραψε:
pfren wrote:

1.g4? d5 and now white has to play the ugly move 2.h3, or else get a strategically lost position after 2.Bg2? Bxg4 3.c4 c6. The bad thing for white is that it is VERY EASY for Black to handle the position after 3...c6.

What about 1.g4 d5 2.Bg2 Bxg4 3.c4 c6 4.cxd5 cxd5 5.Qb3?

 

You play simply 5...Nf6, developing and ignoring the b7 pawn. Whenever white takes that pawn (immediately, or next move) Black plays ...Nbd7 and white is behind in development, with a wandering queen at b7 (risks getting trapped in a few lines) and permanently damaged pawn structure. 

poucin

indeed this line is almost 0-1

LogoCzar

You seemed different to me and hard to take seriously even before I knew you were Ray Gordon.

DrSpudnik

Commissioner Gordon!?

JonHutch

At the higher levels it is refuted, but in bullet it is useful.

gad610
The main problem with the Grob is that it only had traps when black plays 1... d5. If black plays 1... e5 then white is basically screwed.
BORGamundo
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BronsteinPawn

username "grob", alias "stockfish".

Seriously tho, Im poor and have no ICC access, post some links to his games brah.

BORGamundo
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BronsteinPawn

I dont think any of the online blitz gods would do well at slower times, or to be more specific, would have the same rating at slower times. 

To copy games you just need the PGN, copy it, click on the chessboard thing here in the message options and then click on the PGN option, then just paste it and post it.

staples13
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