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Jul 28, 2020
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#5
I do not think the dragon is refuted, but I do think that it is dubious. Also, please edit the OP @FizzyBand. Please try to equalize vs the qe1 line 
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PushyDiscovery wrote:
I do not think the dragon is refuted, but I do think that it is dubious. Also, please edit the OP @FizzyBand. Please try to equalize vs the qe1 line .
I want you to show me the exact moves of ur line because White has several choices after 10.Qe1
Jul 29, 2020
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#7
ROL nice words evan, as long as you don't tilt downnn to 1500-1600 rating
Jul 29, 2020
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#8
This isn't a refutation, just wanted to see what you guys think of this line for black
Jul 29, 2020
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#9
SNUDOO wrote:
This isn't a refutation, just wanted to see what you guys think of this line for black
9. 0-0-0 instead of 9. Bc4
Jul 29, 2020
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#10
PushyDiscovery wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:
This isn't a refutation, just wanted to see what you guys think of this line for black
9. 0-0-0 instead of 9. Bc4
That's not what I'm looking for, note to move 13 for black
Jul 29, 2020
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#11
Dude I wasn't asking whether or not it was theory. I don't care about the main line, I care about winning. White is technically better but black has practical chances, what's your opinion?
Ne5 is the mainline nowadays?
Which line are talking about, 10...Rc8 as given or 10...Rb8?
I'm cornfused and outdated on dragon theory.
SpicyMcMuffin wrote:
ne5 has always been the main line
Ne5 is not Clear main line anymore due to 12.Kb1!. The more solid 11.Nxd4 is becoming the main line. I don’t think Ne5 loses by force, but White can get a good position in all lines with Extremely accurate play
@SNUDOO I think that this whole line with b4 and then a5 is suspect at best. The traditional 13.a5 leads to full equality for Black
SNUDOO έγραψε:
PushyDiscovery wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:
This isn't a refutation, just wanted to see what you guys think of this line for black
9. 0-0-0 instead of 9. Bc4
That's not what I'm looking for, note to move 13 for black
Isn't 13..a5 just fine for Black, and played dozens of times?
13...b4 is an interesting pawn sac, but to me it seems that it doesn't quite cut the mustard.
SpicyMcMuffin έγραψε:
ne5 has always been the main line
Always? Most modern Dragon manuals (Nielsen, Svidler, Jones, you name it...) dismiss it as junk (12.Kb1!) and suggest playing something else. You are probably right to assume that 12.Kb1 is uncleaar, although the only unclear thing about it is if white is winning by force, or not.
Probably GM Jones' two volumes on the Dragon. I use them, and they are very good. They are fro 2015
Ok...So I am a Dragon player and frequently come across people who say “the Dragon is refuted”, “the Dragon loses by force”, “It’s just sac, sac, and mate”. Here, I’d like to give you all, (particularly @PushyDiscovery) a chance to give your“refutation” of the Dragon and let me respond to it. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, the Dragon goes