The Queen's Gambit Accepted

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BillyIdle

      V. Anand, Nigel Short and Vassily Ivanchuck, to name a few, have played the Queen's Gambit Accepted.  What are your experiences with the defense here on Chess.com?  How would you evaluate it?

bondiggity

Are you asking about the Queen's Gambit declined or accepted??

pvmike

I like the queens gambit declined I prefer the semi-tarrasch, and tarrasch variations. I don't like the queens gambit accept it gives up control of the center to soon.

bondiggity

The QGA is not played really at the top levels because it gives white an unnecessary advantage in center control and since white has no problem recapturing the pawn (trying to hold onto the pawn leads to big trouble), black has no real compensation.

BillyIdle

    Well bondiggity,

  That does answer my question pretty well.  I may have been looking for a reason either to play it, or not play it.  Naturally, we agree that Black cannot hold the pawn.  At best, he will not be behind in development, and possibly find a good tactical chance.  Overall I agree with what you have written.  Also did not know whether it was being frequently played at top levels or not.  Would not need to ask these questions if I was not so out of touch with the game lately.   

Golbat

Uncommon in high-level play because it gives up the center, the QGA is an aggressive attempt to unbalance the position with a queenside assault. Requires quite a bit of theory.

Occasionally employed by Grandmasters such as Kasparov and Kramnik. Also my main defense to 1. d4. Cool

mnag

I don't think the QGA is not played commonly due to the fact that it gives up the center. After all, some very high powered players have used the opening such as Anand, (65 times before this year), Ivanchuk, Shirov (both 25 times in the Big Database from ChessBase). Even Fischer used it four times in 92 against Spassky. Rather, I think it is not fashionable to play it. The QGA seems to go in cycles like most openings. My suggestion is to try it, that's what I did. I used it for a few years in my club, was successful, then it went out  of fashion for me and I changed to something different. After all, you really don't give up the entire center, you try to keep a small part of it or attack White's center with a timely c5 or e5. Just learn some theory and at our level it's a game.

pvmike

The idea white has in mind when playing the queens gambit is to remove blacks d pawn so white can take control of the center with e4 at some point. Accepting the gambit gives white just what they want.The advantage of accepting the gambit is black's light bishop is easier to develope and black can play c5 and give white an isolated d pawn.

Elubas

the QGA is fine! And this is not biased cause I don't even play it. Theoretically it's probably just as good as the declined since although white has better central control, black can probably equalise by playing e5 or c5, and black has complete freedom for his pieces. Also, if white plays the natural e4, although it's actually good, he better know the line or black will probably get the advantage by attacking white's center immediately who thinking that black was stupid to give up the center can't support his own. That's why I'm getting a book about the QG that covers 3 e4 because I want to play it but it's risky. Most people aren't comfortable with giving up the center immediately but it's just as critical as the QGD.

KillaBeez

It is fine.  Black can find active squares for his pieces and can get a good game.  He later can counterattack the White center

brandonQDSH

BillyIdle,

I think Bondiggity, Elubas, and KillaBeez all have good things to say about QGA. It's perfectly playable by Black, but hardly exciting at all. Various QGD provide much more solid defenses to d4.

When opening 1. d4 d5 2. c4 I like it when Black plays dxc4 because I know, at the very least, I will be entering the middle game with even or better position than Black. And if Black does try to hold the pawn, then I know I'm in for a good game.

When someone responds with QGD, you know you're in for a long, positional battle. But even with QGA if they just let go of the pawn, White gets a lot of the center, but it's hard to find a good use for the dark Bishop. The fianchetto isn't that effective. But other than that, White gets great game.

If only he could trade that dark Bishop for an extra Knight and QGD would be amazing for White.

Zipple713

Well, the Queen's Gambit is not really a gambit- there is in fact no way of holding onto the pawn unless a positional mess (which will lead to a lot worse than a loss of a pawn). On this idea, it can be determined that accepting is bad- it gives up positional play for a temporary piece advantage.

 

Let's look at ways the pawn can be attempted to be held onto after 1. d4 d5 2. c4 dxc4 and things white can do...

3. e4 sets up a huge center. The pawn can be kept after 3. ...b5 Nc3 and either 4. a6, 4. c6, Ba6 or 4. Bd7 (The bishop moves boh lock in a piece they shouldn't- neither has ever been played in a master game on this site's database)(3. ...Be6? of course falls to 4. d5). Play it out. It's a nightmare for your queenside bishop. The pawn can be given up  by 3. ...Nf6 4. Nc3 and 5. Bxc4. This variation does allow some development.

 

3. e3 is again similar. The differences- 3. ...Nf6 can be played, but posts no threat in need of attention. 3. ...Qd5 works to protect, but after 4. Nc3 Qc6, the vital c pawn is shut down and the queen is in a bad spot. By the numbers, white wins 80% of the time after 3. ...Qd5.

 

3. Nc3 plays into similar lines, but prevents 3. ...b5. It follows similar lines and the pawn will go eventually.

 

3. Nf3 is the most common. It has little to do with the actual recapture, but development and then capture.

 

The idea is that black can go for equality by forgetting about the pawn and, as Capablanca says, rapidly developing pieces. By the numbers, it's about equal to 2. ...e6 or 2. ...c6 (White 41%, Black 25.5%). It can work well, but requires knowledge of how to play it.

Elubas

wait, black can actually hold the pawn against e4 no matter what?

BillyIdle

Elubas,

Tell us more.  Can Black hold the pawn every time in Buffalo, or in other places as well?  I know of only one variation where Black holds the pawn.  You used a question mark (?) at the end of your sentence, so I don't think you believe it.

Elubas
Zipple713 wrote:

Let's look at ways the pawn can be attempted to be held onto after 1. d4 d5 2. c4 dxc4 and things white can do...

3. e4 sets up a huge center. The pawn can be kept after 3. ...b5 Nc3 and either 4. a6, 4. c6, Ba6 or 4. Bd7

 

 


zipple claimed the pawn could be held!

BillyIdle

 "A fantastic win by Anand with the black pieces again!"

This is a quote by CHESS.COM about the Anand - Kramnik championship match.  This is how Anand plays Black.  He has no trouble playing the Queen's Gambit Accepted as one of his defenses. 

Elubas

that's the slav.

uritbon

sime lines in the QGD turn out to be a QGA in the end, you can see that in the world championship games very clearly...

BillyIdle

ELUBUS -

   It doesn't matter Slav, QGA, whatever.  Anand is dangerous with Black because he plays black to his advantage whether he is playing the QGA or not,  and the QGA is a very good defense.  He just has not played it yet.  Maybe the people who don't like it are not playing it well.  I agree with you that it is a good defense.  No arguement here.

chawil

Lots of comment but no games! How about some examples?