The Queenside Fried Liver

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AdvLegitimate wrote:

guys, the qsfl was shown to be dubious in about 4 ways per page, hes just trying to troll you now.

just give up and let this thread die.

believe so, about the "trolling" part, at least.

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Jim if you think we are trolling you then stop commenting on this beautiful opening/system. If you want to discuss it then discuss it, but stop bashing this opening without any reason.

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whatever u say dog. anybody who can master such a beatiful opening system is much to man for me. i bow out to your superior intellect and mastery of the qsfl. i'm out y'all.

Avatar of The_Gavinator

Finally, the trolls are tiring themselves out. We can once again discuss this opening in all seriousness, if you all have any comments about it feel free to share.

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This is a recent game i played once again proving how far superior and flexible this opening/system really is

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Very good game whatupyodog! This shows how even players completely prepared (3...a6) against the system can still fall for this attack. I think this pretty much sums up the power of this opening, and shows those trolls that their silly defences against this don't work.

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from that position here is my refutation, that will allow me to castle and develop the knight to a nice central square

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First off white is up a pawn and would win. Secondly, opening theory doesn't go 20 move deep, especially in an up and coming system, where no major theory is developed. And lastly, this is a very unusual playing pattern, this would almost never arise in a real game. White wins in your example proving the superiority of the qsfl.

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well I stopped the fork, got my king to safety, developed faster, and was prepared to attack your center before you were able to castle to safety, a successfull opening, and it is possible to draw even a pawn down

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Stopping the fork is easy, is the position that gets to you. You developed faster, at the cost of two pawns, and now you will lose in the endgame.

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The Gavinator - I agree that that opening is slightly unsound, but the ending position is definately a draw.

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Yes, but nobody is going to be able to predict moves for 20 turns. This will almost never arise in an actual game because of the infinite number of moves you can make. Starting in move 9 of jetfighter's example, white should be able to win.

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You can predict moves for twenty turns in some heavily analyzed lines such as najdorf, but I also doubt that his line will ever happen.

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At first I thought this entire thread was a spam thread, and then it struck me that you were actually taking this opening seriously. Foot in mouth

Alright, here's the refutation you've been dying for:



Avatar of Ben_Dubuque

nice find, I was just taking my example through a midle game to show that Black is fine

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Nachtwolf, you are obviously not very good, after na6 no white player who isnt absolute garbage would play nf3, and after a move such as e3 instead, whites position is superior. So, this opening remains unrefuted.

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Also, shepi after ra8 rc1 saves passed pawn and white can easily promote you dummy.

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Bb2 adresses that

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nacht, white playing 6 Nc3 is a dummy move. He would play Na3, however a good white player wouldn't put himself in that position anyways.

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then rc2 and white wins easily