The semi-slav

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The Benko is a respectable opening, but Black has its share of problems in certain variations. Two of them where the pawn is accepted are quite theoretical, but there are also two less theoretical continuations (4.Nf3 g6 5.cb5 a6 6.g6 and 4.Qc2) where white's plan is "easy" and there is no clear road to equality as Black.

The Benoni is OK, I believe using the move order 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 c5 or 3.g3 c5, but a lot of trouble against the Taimanov, or a modern classical where white postpones Nf3 for an appropriate moment.

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koala8 wrote:

I got to use this more because right now I use the budapest gambit and albin counter gambit

If you're serious about improving your game, I suggest dropping these two lines immediately.

The Benoni and Benko are risky (and playable), but the Budapest and Albin are probably dubious.

Just because an opening is a gambit doesn't mean it's more exciting than another line.

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Andre_Harding wrote:
koala8 wrote:

I got to use this more because right now I use the budapest gambit and albin counter gambit

If you're serious about improving your game, I suggest dropping these two lines immediately.

The Benoni and Benko are risky (and playable), but the Budapest and Albin are probably dubious.

Just because an opening is a gambit doesn't mean it's more exciting than another line.

first of all the budapest gambit retrieves material back

second of all this is why I said that I would use the semi-slav more

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Do you really expect seeing 9.Bxe5 played by any half-serious white opponent?

It's more likely to see 9.e3 when there are no Nd3+ tricks, and Black has some issues no matter if he exchanges on d2, or retreats to c5.

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When my opponent plays f4 instead of Nf3, it gives me a big headache since i dont know how to play that line.

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Also 5. Bg5 is much stronger than Bf4

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yeah sorry I just threw together a main line in the budapest gambit at my weak level.

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@koala8

It is good that you are changing to the Semi-Slav. It's a demanding opening, and there's definitely a learning curve, but if you stick with it I promise you will be rewarded.

Which variations are you interesting in learning? We can recommend some good sources to study.

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well i'll be playing the benko i guess for the next few years as my main opeining so see ya semi-slavers!

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If you really think the you are good with the benko, i'll gladly accept a challenge Anonymous_U  .

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Anonymous_U wrote:

well i'll be playing the benko i guess for the next few years as my main opeining so see ya semi-slavers!

Nothing wrong with the Benko. If I had a young player who wanted to become a 2200 player, but didn't really care about going beyond that, I would have them play the King's Indian or Benko.

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Andre_Harding wrote:

@koala8

It is good that you are changing to the Semi-Slav. It's a demanding opening, and there's definitely a learning curve, but if you stick with it I promise you will be rewarded.

Which variations are you interesting in learning? We can recommend some good sources to study.


I'm not familiar with very many variations but I've seen this game

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Well playing the benko isn't very easy. You should know your stuff before you play it. The Benko Gambit Sacrifices a pawn for compensation.You might want to be a more advanced player. I recommend the slav or the semi-slav.

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koala8 wrote:
Andre_Harding wrote:

@koala8

It is good that you are changing to the Semi-Slav. It's a demanding opening, and there's definitely a learning curve, but if you stick with it I promise you will be rewarded.

Which variations are you interesting in learning? We can recommend some good sources to study.


I'm not familiar with very many variations but I've seen this game

 

This is more of a sideline. Check my post on page 1 or 2 that gives a rundown of the main branches of the Semi-Slav.

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zerogravity77 wrote:

Well playing the benko isn't very easy. You should know your stuff before you play it. The Benko Gambit Sacrifices a pawn for compensation.You might want to be a more advanced player. I recommend the slav or the semi-slav.

I disagree. There are SO MANY Benko robots out there! I have seen guys mechanically playing Benko moves as if they were playing a King's Indian Attack...that's how automatically they were moving.

The hardest part about playing the Benko is what if White avoids it. THEN the Benko player would have to study some system(s).

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Well personally I play this variation for white.

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The only time i've played against a benko is when I played a 2200.

It's not an opening you will want to play if your rating is about 1000 or 1200

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pellik wrote:

Benko players also have to worry about white knowing enough theory to shut down their activity, too. There is a point in the theory where black's activity is more or less all accounted for and ultimately black is just down a pawn.

I don't have the link anywhere but somewhere in the videos Sam Shankland played white against a benko and did a good job keeping black bottled up. He played the same system against the Benko I used to play.

If I recall, the tabiya I shot for (and generally always achieved) looks like this-

 

I agree with everything here. That's why I say I would only recommend it to someone who didn't have interest in going beyond 2200!

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first game I ever played the semi-slav http://www.chess.com/echess/game?id=57802390 it's not finished at the moment, so no hints please I don't want to be counted for cheating.

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