Why would blay play Qd8 instead of Qb6 or Qa4? And even in the position you've shown it's still better than the Borg Defense where white is up a pawn, up an arguably even bigger tempo than he starts with, and black's kingside is destroyed.
I'm getting seriously tired of being called a troll. Black won't let Nf6 turn into anything resembling the Catalan.
Yes, by playing either the KID (hard to play), the Grunfeld (hard to play), the Benoni (hard to play), the Benko (hard to play), the QID (passive), or the Bogo-Indian (dubious)
Otherwise, you’re going for d5 and running into a Catalan (oh no what shall we do)
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here is my try
20 g5
obviously
19 Nh6
pawn structure
18 f6
why? Nh6-f7 isnt happening and e5 isnt really playable
17 e5
hot garbage, engine rates it worse than THE BONGCLOUD
16 Na6
what, fortify d5 with c6-Nc7 next?
15 h5
ig if you want to attack white who wants a positional game... (also Bg5 f6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 h4)
14 a5
queenside stuff? not much sense but ok...
13 h6
just less transpositional than
12 a6
ig it transposes to some stuff but just a waste
11 b6
e4!! like thrillerfan said
10 Nc6
ig it can transpose to black knights' and chigorin?
9 b5
unique and decent ig
8 g6
you WANT to be kingside attacked?
7 c5
cant put it higher, this high coz most people (im told) play e3 or dc5 or smth
6 d6
decent transpositions but prevents black from playing d5 in one go
5 f5
good but MAAYBE a bit too early considering the staunton, Bg5, just a london...
4 c6
slav/caro, but why c6 now instead of later?
3 e6
amazing waiting move, but you have to accept a french
2 d5
here i put my choice second, its less flexible than
1 Nf6
the objectively best response to 1 d4 in the first move, SO flexible
thoughts?
I think I agree with your list the most, but, just curious, why is 1...c5 put between 1...d6 and 1...g6? After the best (and I'm going to assume the most common) move, 2.e4, 1...g6 and 1...d6 normally transpose, right?
Also, how is Bg5 just a London in the Dutch?
How is the KID hard to play?
And black is in an amazing position with counter play, such as c5 or e5 options in the air, despite white having his cake and eating it too in the center. Both sides are really well off here, and I actually don't know which side I'd prefer. And it's nothing like the kryptonite you disagreers try to hunt me down with either!
How is the KID hard to play?
And black is in an amazing position with counter play, such as c5 or e5 options in the air, despite white having his cake and eating it too in the center. Both sides are really well off here, and I actually don't know which side I'd prefer. And it's nothing like the kryptonite you disagreers try to hunt me down with either!
oh no it’s just the 50 lines of theory for each variation, it’s interesting how GothamChess tries to sell off some complicated openings as simple, and tries to completely kill off other ones
How is the KID hard to play?
And black is in an amazing position with counter play, such as c5 or e5 options in the air, despite white having his cake and eating it too in the center. Both sides are really well off here, and I actually don't know which side I'd prefer. And it's nothing like the kryptonite you disagreers try to hunt me down with either!
For that mater how is the Bogo-Indian dubious? I mean, I don't play it very often, but it's...fine.
oh no it’s just the 50 lines of theory for each variation, it’s interesting how GothamChess tries to sell off some complicated openings as simple, and tries to completely kill off other ones
You know I don't watch Gotham Chess right?
oh no it’s just the 50 lines of theory for each variation, it’s interesting how GothamChess tries to sell off some complicated openings as simple, and tries to completely kill off other ones
You know I don't watch Gotham Chess right?
fair but half of the chess community are repeating what he says
I'm getting seriously tired of being called a troll. Black won't let Nf6 turn into anything resembling the Catalan.
Yes, by playing either the KID (hard to play), the Grunfeld (hard to play), the Benoni (hard to play), the Benko (hard to play), the QID (passive), or the Bogo-Indian (dubious)
Otherwise, you’re going for d5 and running into a Catalan (oh no what shall we do)
How is BID dubious??
Why would blay play Qd8 instead of Qb6 or Qa4? And even in the position you've shown it's still better than the Borg Defense where white is up a pawn, up an arguably even bigger tempo than he starts with, and black's kingside is destroyed.
Qb6 drops the queen to Ne6+ and after Qa4 the queen is a little stuck where it is after e3, if Black plays cxb5 Bxb5 traps the queen and while this line is playable it really isn’t all that much better than the line I gave. And the Borg is bad, but you develop your bishop to a better diagonal than in the Englund and maybe there’s tricks with Rg8 winning a tempo against the bishop for fear of Bxd2 Bxd2 Rxg5 or something. Borg>Englund gambits>Englund trap my guy.
You mean black has a lead in development at the cost of a pawn, but will immediately lose the gained tempo when they inevitably move their bishop to a better square than d6? Would rather be white every time
Black doesn't need to move the bishop any time soon. He will play Nc6, Bg4, Qe7, 0-0-0 and have a comfortable game while white will have to deal with the Rd8 staring at his queen. I've played those positions literally thousands of times as black and it's so incredibly easy to play black's position there. Black scores so much better than white on lichess from beginner all the way to 2500. Taking on d6 is already an objectively an innacuracy and practically a very bad mistake, much better is 1.d4 e5 2.dxe5 d6 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.Bf4 or Bg5
Except that the rook will not be staring at the queen, because you have a bishop on d6 that you have to move first, so yes, you literally do have to reposition the bishop in that position to get the position you claim black doesn’t have to move the bishop in.
here is my try
20 g5
obviously
19 Nh6
pawn structure
18 f6
why? Nh6-f7 isnt happening and e5 isnt really playable
17 e5
hot garbage, engine rates it worse than THE BONGCLOUD
16 Na6
what, fortify d5 with c6-Nc7 next?
15 h5
ig if you want to attack white who wants a positional game... (also Bg5 f6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 h4)
14 a5
queenside stuff? not much sense but ok...
13 h6
just less transpositional than
12 a6
ig it transposes to some stuff but just a waste
11 b6
e4!! like thrillerfan said
10 Nc6
ig it can transpose to black knights' and chigorin?
9 b5
unique and decent ig
8 g6
you WANT to be kingside attacked?
7 c5
cant put it higher, this high coz most people (im told) play e3 or dc5 or smth
6 d6
decent transpositions but prevents black from playing d5 in one go
5 f5
good but MAAYBE a bit too early considering the staunton, Bg5, just a london...
4 c6
slav/caro, but why c6 now instead of later?
3 e6
amazing waiting move, but you have to accept a french
2 d5
here i put my choice second, its less flexible than
1 Nf6
the objectively best response to 1 d4 in the first move, SO flexible
thoughts?
I think I agree with your list the most, but, just curious, why is 1...c5 put between 1...d6 and 1...g6? After the best (and I'm going to assume the most common) move, 2.e4
, 1...g6 and 1...d6 normally transpose, right?
i mean, yeah if white goes to e4 then these are the same
but what about all the people who dont go e4
all the system players, even most normal d4 players i think would go c4 there, and in that case not really.... d6 has lines with e5 and stuff without g6
i also find it neat when two almost identical items are separated like this on a list; shows how close it is ig (there are also g6 lines with direct d5)
Also, how is Bg5 just a London in the Dutch?
aah that was a list
like theres the staunton, and Bg5, and just a london
here is my try
20 g5
obviously
19 Nh6
pawn structure
18 f6
why? Nh6-f7 isnt happening and e5 isnt really playable
17 e5
hot garbage, engine rates it worse than THE BONGCLOUD
16 Na6
what, fortify d5 with c6-Nc7 next?
15 h5
ig if you want to attack white who wants a positional game... (also Bg5 f6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 h4)
14 a5
queenside stuff? not much sense but ok...
13 h6
just less transpositional than
12 a6
ig it transposes to some stuff but just a waste
11 b6
e4!! like thrillerfan said
10 Nc6
ig it can transpose to black knights' and chigorin?
9 b5
unique and decent ig
8 g6
you WANT to be kingside attacked?
7 c5
cant put it higher, this high coz most people (im told) play e3 or dc5 or smth
6 d6
decent transpositions but prevents black from playing d5 in one go
5 f5
good but MAAYBE a bit too early considering the staunton, Bg5, just a london...
4 c6
slav/caro, but why c6 now instead of later?
3 e6
amazing waiting move, but you have to accept a french
2 d5
here i put my choice second, its less flexible than
1 Nf6
the objectively best response to 1 d4 in the first move, SO flexible
thoughts?
Also, how is Bg5 just a London in the Dutch?
aah that was a list
like theres the staunton, and Bg5, and just a london
Oh right, I don't know how I misunderstood that lol
Except that the rook will not be staring at the queen, because you have a bishop on d6 that you have to move first, so yes, you literally do have to reposition the bishop in that position to get the position you claim black doesn’t have to move the bishop in.
No, but it threatens a revealed attack.
I can't tell you how many times this type of position arose. White must now waste a move rescuing the queen to prevent a revealed attack. Black now gains even more tempo, and is still in a totally comfortable position that is for sure worth being down a pawn in my books.
e5
ever since black played Nf6 that was there
also, a center pawn down for what is one measly tempo
and what sort of attack or anything or initiative does black get? nothing
also, less center control
its above some horrible non gambits but it still loses a pawn for almost nothing
White didn't miss a fork, because if he tried it:
And black is still totally comfortable. In fact, in some of these lines, he's the one going on the offense, or else wins the bishop pair, that in an open game like this will be usefull.
Yerachmeal wrote:
My guy, with the trap White WINS YOUR QUEEN in the top line. I don’t care how bad g5 is, you can maybe like win a tempo on the bishop later and pretend it was a gambit, or with Nh3 at least you win the bishop pair and you stop a potential kingside pawn storm from White.
Even with the trap black doesn't have to give up his queen.
Black won the only master game this position was reached in. I still think the trap is bad to be clear, but it's better than g5 or Nh6.
Yeah Black won the only game this position was reached in because White played e3?! rather than the natural line that follows: