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kiwi-inactive

If and when I do play the queens pawn and play the queens gambit, if black accepts the gambit, I hope to find weak links in their opening theory, if not and they decline I am actually better prepared and will force the exchange. So my preferred variation would be the Queen's Gambit Declined Exchange variation. 

yucca

Hey does anyone want to play me with you taking the white pieces with 1.d4 as an online game - i can't seem to find any thematic tournaments that are that vague as to only specify one opening move ;) but for me I find a lot of my online games start 1.e4 whereas OTB a lot start with 1.d4 (when I'm black) so I would appreciate some practice.

plutonia
harryz wrote:

Really? I don't think there is a single way to prevent e4 except for the Stonewall, in which I switch to a Colle-Zuketort. Can you please post your way of preventing e4?

For prevent I meant "discourage". Ok I'll post some lines during the weekend.

To give a general example now here's what happened in a rated game I played OTB recently.

When you play as white (the good white :P ) against the semi-slav a way you have to play against ...e5 is that you can saddle them with a bad IQP. Bad because they won't have the piece activity /threats that go with the normal IQP.

Same thing I did in my game as black against the Colle. My pawn is on c5 and keeps pressuring their d4 pawn (advancing it to c4 is not good because it would allow them to play e4 in peace). When they pushed e4 I was all ready and I took on d4 first, they retake with the pawn (I had a knight ready to retake there if they took with the knight), then I take on e4 because it's probably better to avoid them to plant a pawn on e5 (even thought it should not be losing for black).

Importantly, my light bishop was on b7. So I traded everything on e4. We remained with only the major pieces and a dark Bishop each. Blockade d4, put pressure on it with Bf6, prepare everybody to be really active, then take the pawn with the pins.

I won a pawn, and my pieces were so active I was able to trade everything in a King and Pawn ending, that with a pawn ahead it's just a matter of tecnique.

 

 

Now I'm not saying that the Colle is weak or that I won't lose against it. I should actually prepare some serious line against it.

All I'm saying is that there isn't interesting play for either side.

royalbishop
timepass12345 wrote:
harryz wrote:
timepass12345 wrote:

d4 and d4 players suck totally!!

Yeah, so you're saying that 40% of all players suck?

Yes!!

Well if you stop playing "Vampires" you would not have to worry about them sucking. So what about the other 60% humans?

najdorf96

(Obviously, you are right. You need an better plan vs the Colle. Looking back some 72 yrs ago, in the Game: Chernev-Hahlbohn, NY 1942 went thus...

1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 e3 3. e3[!] c5 4. c3 Nf6 5. Bd3 Nc6 6. Nbd2 Be7 7. OO OO 8. Qe2 Re8 9. dxc5 Bxc5 10. e4[!] e5 11. exd5 Nxd5 {11. ... Qxd5 12. Bc4 Qd6 13. Ng5 Re7 14. Nde4 Nxe4 15. Nxe4 wins the B

Or 15. Qxe4 g6 16. Qh4 h5 17. Ne4!!

12. ... Qd8 13. Nb3 Bb6 14. Bg5, Rd1, or Ng5 w/the initiative & the attack.

najdorf96

} 12. Nb3 Qb6 13. Bxh7+! Kxh7 14. Qe4+ Kg8 15. Qxd5 Bf8 16. Ng5 Be6 17. Qe4 g6 18. Qh4 Bg7 19. Be3 Qa6 20. Nc5! Qb5 21. Qh7+ Kf8 22. Ncxe6+ fxe6 23. Qxg6 Nd8 24. Nh7+ resigns. From the Logical Chess: Move by Move by Irving Chernev [algebraic notation by moi)

pelly13

@richie_oprah said :

... most of the normal strategy against d4 lines does not directly apply  .... white waits for black to commit to a specific pawn structure and then decides where to develop the heavy pieces .....

Same counts for the KIA. I love to play this way.

I know the KIA is not really a 1.d4 opening. The basic moves are Nf3,g3,e4,d3,Nbd2,Bg2 and can be played in almost any order. The basic idea is to delay the attack on the King until Black is forced into a certain pawnstructure. Only then you release your arrow : the Bc1 and go for the kill. Simple position,many different opposition possible , but always a hunt for the Black King.

plutonia
najdorf96 wrote:

(Obviously, you are right. You need an better plan vs the Colle. Looking back some 72 yrs ago, in the Game: Chernev-Hahlbohn, NY 1942 went thus...

1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 e3 3. e3[!] c5 4. c3 Nf6 5. Bd3 Nc6 6. Nbd2 Be7 7. OO OO 8. Qe2 Re8 9. dxc5 Bxc5 10. e4[!] e5 11. exd5 Nxd5 {11. ... Qxd5 12. Bc4 Qd6 13. Ng5 Re7 14. Nde4 Nxe4 15. Nxe4 wins the B

Or 15. Qxe4 g6 16. Qh4 h5 17. Ne4!!

12. ... Qd8 13. Nb3 Bb6 14. Bg5, Rd1, or Ng5 w/the initiative & the attack.

well thank you...I tried to visualize the whole game in my head, without using a board. I struggle a lot for now, but I'm trying to learn to play blindfold chess.

Anyway, the issue is that black played badly. A basic principle of chess is that you should develop your pieces. Leaving your bishop on c8 is asking for trouble.

I play ...b6 so if you take on c5 I retake with my pawn, getting more control in the centre, and without exposing my dark bishop.

And I don't allow you to take on d5. It's me who takes on e4 when you advance. Note, I'm not even sure it's the best, but it should be simpler.

plutonia
harryz wrote:

I think I remember a way to counter this line. I just need to know the exact move order.

 

ok let's try some simple line first...let's see what you do

Spiritbro77

I play the London and am working on learning the Colle. I'm a newer player and it helps me get my pieces developed fairly quickly and gives me a chance. Of course I will eventually try to learn as much e4 stuff as I can. But for now, it's the best chance I have at a good game and possibly winning. Kasparov has played the London at times so it can't suck THAT bad. :)

KILLEDBYHONEYDIJON

I play d4 and it makes me feel kinda light headed.

roder_toro

I play d4 and it makes me feel kinda light headed.


 

makes sense, considering playing e4 might make you feel bigheaded :D

Mainline_Novelty

@plutonia, your main line just looks like a bad French for Black...

plutonia
harryz wrote:

@plutonia:

After the first line highlighted in red, I think I am in a slightly better position because my opponent has two isolated pawns, and I have two open files in the center and an active queen.

After the first line in white I can play 13. Bf4 and get very well placed pieces.

And I think the end of the main line looks better for white because it is hard for black to attack my d pawn with the b6 pawn blocking the queen's way to b6, and his light squared bishop looks terrible

 Yes I agree that white is a bit better. My point was that white doesn't achieve much against simple natural play.

All those spectacular attacks where black is blown off the board happen when black ignores the simple principles of development.

 

Let's see what you think of the lines of John Cox.

I just discovered his book, and I think the resulting positions could be interesting to play. So maybe I'll get over my dislike for the Colle!

 



Cory457
JohnnyKGB wrote:

1.e4 is for heros , 1.d4  is for bookworms , avoiding tactics and playin a boring final . 

Depends if you like more positional games which tend to be harder especially at lower levels