top 5 responses to the Sicilian ranked

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SamuelAjedrez95

You haven't proven any point. Nothing you say applies differently to any other opening.

I will play later when I feel like it.

Chuck639
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:

You haven't proven any point. Nothing you say applies differently to any other opening.

Anti-Sicilians are exclusive to 1.e4, c5……

SamuelAjedrez95

French Exchange is exclusive to the French.

Four Knights and King's Gambit are exclusive to e5.

Fantasy is exclusive to the Caro-Kann.

etc. etc.

Chuck639
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:

French Exchange is exclusive to the French.

Four Knights and King's Gambit are exclusive to e5.

Fantasy is exclusive to the Caro-Kann.

etc. etc.

You clearly miss the point and don’t follow.

SamuelAjedrez95
Chuck639 wrote:

You clearly miss the point and don’t follow.

No, you are not following and now are making nothing arguments.

"You should believe what I believe"

"Well I don't because of x reason"

"Aw man, you just don't get it"

Rhetorical argument.

SamuelAjedrez95

@Chuck639

I'm not even disagreeing with what you said.

  • Anti-Sicilians are exclusive to the Sicilian.
  • French Exchange is exclusive to the French.
  • Four Knights, King's Gambit and Ruy Lopez are exclusive to e5.
  • Fantasy and Panov Attack are exclusive to the Caro-Kann.

True.

Chuck639
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:

You clearly miss the point and don’t follow.

No, you are not following and now are making nothing arguments.

"You should believe what I believe"

"Well I don't because of x reason"

"Aw man, you just don't get it"

Rhetorical argument.

What is the topic of this thread?

I don’t agree #1 is the Open Sicilian because I only see it a minority of the time at the 1600-2000 bracket.

I don’t see #2 or #3 because I don’t play the Old Variation.

May be you see more Open Sicilians at the 900-1200 bracket?

May be the situation is just unique to you.

Ethan_Brollier
Chuck639 wrote:
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:

You clearly miss the point and don’t follow.

No, you are not following and now are making nothing arguments.

"You should believe what I believe"

"Well I don't because of x reason"

"Aw man, you just don't get it"

Rhetorical argument.

What is the topic of this thread?

I don’t agree #1 is the Open Sicilian because I only see it a minority of the time at the 1600-2000 bracket. Even OTB I rarely see it. Which is one reason I dropped the Najdorf from rapid play.

I don’t see #2 or #3 because I don’t play the Old Variation.

May be you see more Open Sicilians at the 900-1200 bracket?

May be the situation is just unique to you.

This logic doesn’t hold up though. I see the Marshall QGD and the Baltic more commonly than the Slav and Semi-Slav in the 1700-1900 bracket, but that does NOT make them better defenses, all it does is artificially inflate my ELO.

SamuelAjedrez95
Chuck639 wrote:

What is the topic of this thread?

Topic is "top 5 responses to the Sicilian ranked". I think most people interpret the word top as best/highest quality. I think you are interpreting the word top as most frequently played. Open Sicilian is the top/best response to the Sicilian.

A lot of the people I play with OTB or online play Open Sicilian. I accept playing against anti-Sicilians as part of playing the Sicilian. The same way a French player accepts playing the Exchange as part of playing the French. You can't force the opponent to make certain moves.

SamuelAjedrez95
Ultimate-trashtalker wrote:

It's just all in vain trying to make Samuel understand what we say. There's always a reason why coaches stop u from playing certain things. U mean that all the coaches in this world are wrong Isn't it?

Which coaches?

SamuelAjedrez95

@Ultimate_trashtalker

Your argument is purely rhetorical. Like you just roll your eyes saying "you just don't get it" like you know everything, but won't listen to any of the points or any other view yourself.

Chuck639
Ethan_Brollier wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:

You clearly miss the point and don’t follow.

No, you are not following and now are making nothing arguments.

"You should believe what I believe"

"Well I don't because of x reason"

"Aw man, you just don't get it"

Rhetorical argument.

What is the topic of this thread?

I don’t agree #1 is the Open Sicilian because I only see it a minority of the time at the 1600-2000 bracket. Even OTB I rarely see it. Which is one reason I dropped the Najdorf from rapid play.

I don’t see #2 or #3 because I don’t play the Old Variation.

May be you see more Open Sicilians at the 900-1200 bracket?

May be the situation is just unique to you.

This logic doesn’t hold up though. I see the Marshall QGD and the Baltic more commonly than the Slav and Semi-Slav in the 1700-1900 bracket, but that does NOT make them better defenses, all it does is artificially inflate my ELO.

It’s hard to say in your situation because you’re a d4 player.

E4 is the most popular opening so the sample size would be larger and more accurate, if not, conclusive.

Chuck639
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:

What is the topic of this thread?

Topic is "top 5 responses to the Sicilian ranked". I think most people interpret the word top as best/highest quality. I think you are interpreting the word top as most frequently played. Open Sicilian is the top/best response to the Sicilian.

A lot of the people I play with OTB or online play Open Sicilian. I accept playing against anti-Sicilians as part of playing the Sicilian. The same way a French player accepts playing the Exchange as part of playing the French. You can't force the opponent to make certain moves.

Top or best for who? Not in my case.

Not a good idea to let YT influence you which it clearly has.

SamuelAjedrez95
Ultimate-trashtalker wrote:

The coaches i know of and i am pretty sure others also say the same thing. Never have i ever faced someone who said that their coach suggested the najdorf below 1800 FIDE

No-one here knows who those coaches are, why they should be respected or why they are automatically right.

I know that Andras Toth is a respectable chess coach and IM who teaches beautiful chess but you think your opinion is undeniably better than his.

Ilampozhil25

top or best for the little known people called gms

SamuelAjedrez95
Chuck639 wrote:

Top or best for who? Not in my case.

Not a good idea to let YT influence you which is clearly has.

Ok, so I shouldn't let an IM and chess coach influence me but I should let you influence me?

TheSampson
Ultimate-trashtalker wrote:

Btw, Samuel and chuck, i am thinking of trying the najdorf for a few days to see if it really fits my style( i have already tried the dragon, now i want to try the najdorf) do u guys have any video recommendations? I don't want a lot of variations. Just the mainline and English attack

Hanging Pawns. Great channel

You also need to know some other lines though, it’s not just those two

Ethan_Brollier
Chuck639 wrote:
Ethan_Brollier wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:

You clearly miss the point and don’t follow.

No, you are not following and now are making nothing arguments.

"You should believe what I believe"

"Well I don't because of x reason"

"Aw man, you just don't get it"

Rhetorical argument.

What is the topic of this thread?

I don’t agree #1 is the Open Sicilian because I only see it a minority of the time at the 1600-2000 bracket. Even OTB I rarely see it. Which is one reason I dropped the Najdorf from rapid play.

I don’t see #2 or #3 because I don’t play the Old Variation.

May be you see more Open Sicilians at the 900-1200 bracket?

May be the situation is just unique to you.

This logic doesn’t hold up though. I see the Marshall QGD and the Baltic more commonly than the Slav and Semi-Slav in the 1700-1900 bracket, but that does NOT make them better defenses, all it does is artificially inflate my ELO.

It’s hard to say in your situation because you’re a d4 player.

E4 is the most popular opening so the sample size would be larger and more accurate, if not, conclusive.

Sure but this point still stands back when I was an e4 player. I genuinely saw more Czech/Small Center Pirc games than French games total, more Owen’s games than Caro-Kann games, more Philidor games than Petrovs and Nc6 games, more Old Steinitz games than Morphy and Berlin games, et cetera. People will always play objectively worse openings for one reason or another, but they’re still objectively worse openings.

Chuck639
Ilampozhil25 wrote:

top or best for the little known people called gms

Is that who you follow?

If this GM plays that, so will I?

Theres a big gap between 2500 to 900 where knowledge and ideas don’t even apply or impractical.

SamuelAjedrez95

@Ultimate_trashtalker

I watched Judit Polgar's Sicilian series on youtube which is pure gold. It's a mix of some different Sicilians from both colours but it's very helpful in understanding motifs and ideas which apply to many Sicilians.

Andras Toth has plenty of videos on Najdorf games. His Sicilian opening guides are primarily focused on anti-Sicilians though.

Anish Giri and Daniel King videos are also very good.