trompowsky attack

Does anyone know a good line as black for the trompowsky that's not mainline??????????

There are two ways to play this:

2... Ne4 leads to an high wire game that can go either way.

2...e6 leads to a slower, but solid game for black.

2...e6 is the way to get an advantage versus the Trompowski.

I prefer 2...c5 as it is quite sharp and black can easily end up better if white doesn't know his stuff.

But the chances are high that White will know more than Black about the Tromp.  After all, it's his main repertoire.

True, but we must always put the white player's memory to the test!

As long as we don't get a worse position if White passes the test!

Black will always get a slightly worse position if white passes the test in any opening, all black can hope for is counterplay and an interesting position. Certainly 2...c5 provides both counterplay and an interesting position.

White is clearly going to be very prepared for all ...Ne4 lines, and probably ...c5 as they know it's complex. That's why I play 2...d5.

Then 3.Bxf6 gxf6!? leads to a very interesting position where Black is not worse.

i choose e6 against the trompowsky and trust me there is not a single line that white gets better after that!

being black doesn't mean tha whatever white plays if he knows theory you get worse!it only means that if white plays a mainlined opening and not pet ones like th tromp and he knows all the theory you get just slightly worse

the tromp is a pet opening so i think that there isn't a single possibility for white to gain the advantage

many solutions are there..!!

Yes that's true, the Tromp is more or less equal after correct play. 

But chances are that white is the type of player who doesn't like to learn theory.

Very true!

Also, I don't like the attitude prevalent among most amateurs that your opponent will always have a better memory than you and know more theory. Seems rather self-defeating to me. 

Do your homework, play the critical lines, and kick some ass! That's always been my attitude.

Well, it's gonna be true of around 50% of them :P

Hey guys, I'm interested in 2. c5

Can you giveme a better background about that line??????????

Thanks

I am playing Trompowky and i Like thiw opening.

Most I like to answear 3.h5 if black plays Ne4.

Tromp lovers hate it when you play 1...e6. Of course, you need to know the Torre attack and Colle Systems with an early e7-e6, play the Nimzo and the French!

Given all that, simply learn a main line against the Tromp. After all, Julian Hodgson did so much to popularise it. It's a respectable QP line so will pop up (I've met it only twice though in 30 years!) from time to time. My personal favourite is 2...e6 because there is less theory to learn, it's thoroughly sound and solid and you avoid all the nonsense arising from the sharper 2...Ne4 lines, such as 3. h4 and 3. Bh4 g5 and modern main line with 3. Bf4.

Well it wasn't very well defined question in all honesty.

Yelena Dembo's Anti-kingsIndian book goes into 2...c5 in a lot of detail. All good stuff far as I can tell, but complicated.

Probably playing 2...d5 when facing it next. 3BxN is the autopilot response most trop players will go for, and isn't very dangerous after either 3...gxB , or 3...exB. So quite a straightforward line.

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I presume, though, white could suddenly go into a Queen's Gambit with 3. Nf3 and 4. c4? The QGD might not be black's cup of tea.

Don't think get the chance after 3Nf3 Ne4 followed by c5 or c5 immediately. This is a relatively harmless version of Torre attack. Think 3e3 is supposed to be most testing response to 2...d5.