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Avatar of Vyomo

Hi!!

Inviting all to explore this new variation

I call it the Reti Gambit Keres Variation-Pillsbury attack

'Pls try this out

It is cool!! No masters have ever played this

 

Avatar of Bearodactyl

On move 8, instead of bg7, black can go bd5 and win the white bishop.

Avatar of Archerknight

This wont have an opening name because black isnt that stupid. Thats why there aren't any grandmasters playing this.

Avatar of Vyomo

I have edited the variation

Pls make out white's best move

Avatar of Alphastar18

4. Bxc4 Bxc4 and only then 5. Qa4+ definitely seems an improvement to me.

Avatar of Vyomo

NO alphastar!

Avatar of westcoastchess

instead just Nc3 and then the Bxc4 Qa4+ plan

Avatar of Coach_Valentin

The move 4.Qa4 seems novel indeed, but I wonder what its benefits are over the existing alternatives 4.Ng5, 4.Na3, or 4.Nc3.  It's already a fairly rare opening after just 3 moves, so it's hard to rely on statistics of games completed, especially since some games have been played years ago and others are more recent.

That said, in the games available on Games Explorer after move 3 (there are no games with 4.Qa4 there) black seems to be doing quite well, statistically speaking.  And if we exclude the quick draws, the vast majority of those remaining games ended with a decisive result for one side or the other.

Avatar of Coach_Valentin

After 4.Qa4 c6 (which Vyomo offered as part of the variation), I would try 5.Ng5, with the idea to destabilize and remove black's light-squared bishop as soon as possible, since black threatens to push b5 and thus not only solidify their pawn on c4 but also put into question white's earlier move 4.Qa4. 

(I also briefly looked at 5.B:c4 but it doesn't work because of 5...b5 6.B:b5 c:b5 7.Q:b5+ Qd7. and black has a piece for two pawns, which is material advantage already on move 7!)

In reponse to 5.Ng5:

  • if 5...Bd5 6.e4 and white is doing well;
  • if 5...b5 6.N:e6 f:e6 7.Qc2, and white has positional and structural compensation for the sacrificed pawn.
Avatar of Vyomo

Hi Guys

A new variation 

Avatar of Elubas

There isn't much point in commiting yourself to an early b4. At best this will transpose to a KID line like the bayonet attack. Black could try for ...c5 instead, to try to take advantage of the weakened long diagonal.

Avatar of Alphastar18

Unless you can support b4 with a3, it is usually premature due to the answer ..a5, as I think is the case here too.

Avatar of Coach_Valentin

I agree with the above comments and strategical concerns about 5.b4 so early in the game. 

One of the key issues white faces against fianchettoed bishops (like the black bishop on g7) is how to keep them from becoming active on their long diagonal.  In this sense, 5.b4 would help black by opening up more room and creating additional weaknesses in white's camp on the queen side at a time when the center is still open and the black bishop can "see through" it. 

In contrast, the story is quite different when employing the idea of pushing b4 in the context of the Bayonette attack in Kings-Indian Defense (which happens around move 9-10), because by then the center has been closed (i.e., white pawns on c4-d5-e4 and black pawns on d6-e5-f7/f5) and the bishop on g7 cannot "see through" to the weaknesses in white's queen side.

Avatar of Vyomo

The idea behind b4 is to continue with Bb2 destroying the main factor in the success of the king's indian

This reduces the effectiveness of the g7 Indian bishop 

we can later play Rb1 and then follow up with a trade 

Avatar of Coach_Valentin

How do you then respond to black's likely direct attempt to open up the black bishop's diagonal with 5...c5 (as some people suggested above)?

Avatar of bigmac30

you certainly have some bizzare openings for white the move in the reti acepted i am experimenting with mixed results is 3 e4 c5 Bxc4 N c6 oo e6 Nc3 a3

 Nf6 is met by Re1 and then e5 after that d4 and nb5

Avatar of bigmac30

ps nge7 i would counter with d3 be3 and d4 with far better control of the centre

Avatar of Vyomo

How about this

Avatar of bigmac30
Vyomo wrote:

How about this


 how do you deal with dxe4 followed by qh4

Avatar of Coach_Valentin

What do you expect to gain with 3.f3 in the French Defense in comparison to the more common moves 3.Nd2, 3.Nc3, or 3.e5 ?

I see that it weakens your king-side somewhat, and so there must be a payoff to compensate for this if the idea is to prove valuable.  f3 also takes away a valuable square for the knight and in some variations would prevent the white queen from going to f3/g4 and attacking black's king-side.

I assume you're interested in fast development and sacrificing the central e-pawn after 3...d:e4 (since 4.f:e4? Qh4+ is quite bad) -- for example, 4.Nc3 or 4.Bf4...