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I call it the English Opening:Knight Counter
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If you're lucky enough for someone to play 1...d5 against the english, then just take the pawn and lure the queen with a central majority.

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Vyomo, I don't mean to offend, but it looks like you're just tossing out random ideas trying to find one people like!

On your last one, I agree with Elubas. I play the English often and 1. ... d5 is a rare treat. If I get it (it's only happened to me twice) I'm glad to take the pawn, make the queen dance around the board, and take a decisive lead in development.

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Agreed. Some of these moves are just odd. You have to assume your opponent will find the best moves. You're making up weird variations for white, usually based on the assumption that black's play will be just as weird.

There's a reason that the popular openings are popular. They're better. First, learn why they're good. Then, you'll know enough to try and improve upon them.

--Fromper

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These moves are not necessarily bad and weird play can confuse your opponent especially if he has by hearted a certain opening and you deviate.If you are in  a tournament and you're in the last round then you might want to immediately deviate from the skill of a book and get to the tactics quickly

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Azure , as _valentin_ rightly said the point is to go for fast development and if after 4 Bf4 then exf3 Nxf3.I've brought out two pieces and am way ahead in my development

I can castle queenside and bring my rook onto an open f-file counterattcking and essentially forcing black to play a defensive middlegame in order to protect material

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Also Estragon I am NOT going for publicity, I am suggesting new openings from which I am learning a lot unlike you.NM tonydal,I would like to play through these variations for a learning experience but since they're not popular I cannot play with them

If somebody could try out theses openings or deeply analyze them instead I am sure we could reach a good satisfactory conclusion,not criticisms 

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tonydal is right but vyomo i won a game in the centre counter not responding they way i should and got a decent endgame

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I have a new opening

1.e4 e5 Ne2 Nf6 f4 exf4 Nxf4 

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I wouldn't take 3...e:f4 as black -- it activates white's knight on e2 (which is awkwardly placed), opens space for white blocked light-squared bishop on f1, and gives up central control over the e5 square, all in one move.

Instead, I'd either counterattack (Falkbeer-style) 3...d5 or fortify the e5 square via 3...d6 or 3...Nc6.  I haven't thought much about it, but 3...e:f4 seems wrong strategically.

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That's the point of it!This is a plus for white and having a small positional advantage on your third move is VERY GOOD .By following steinitz's theory of positional chess we easily reach a winning position

what should I call it? I know - Delayed King's Gambit , Alapin style 

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I wouldn't call playing f4 in all cases a positional advantage! In this case the white knight is really looking rather stupid on e2 ( it's much better on f3 aside from not defending f4) and white's development will be clogged. All he does is put some pressure on the center (but can't be increased with a knight on f3 anytime soon) and it does weaken his kingside too.

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Vyomo wrote:

That's the point of it!This is a plus for white and having a small positional advantage on your third move is VERY GOOD .By following steinitz's theory of positional chess we easily reach a winning position

what should I call it? I know - Delayed King's Gambit , Alapin style 


And this is the criticism you keep receiving - your lines are all based on "If black screws up, then white gets a good game". If black just declines the gambit, as others have said, then the knight on e2 is awkward and blocks in the f1 bishop for no reason. You're right that if black takes on f4, then white comes off good, but that's exactly why nobody would do that as black.

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Then can you give an explaination of what happens if black declines

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Can you??

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Are you trying to come up with new openings so you can improve? Or just for fun?

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Vyomo wrote:

Then can you give an explaination of what happens if black declines


See post #38 in this thread. Somebody else already answered that question. The point is that you need to think of these things when proposing unusual moves. What's the hardest move for you to meet that your opponent could play, and how would you handle that? That's the test of whether or not your move is worthwhile.

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hey how about this
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tonydal wrote:
Vyomo wrote:

 


hey how about this 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 d6 3 d4 cd 4 Nxd4 Nf6 5 Nc3 e5

LOL


I don't know much about the Open Sicilian, but isn't this already a well known book line?

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6Nf5 is a suprize wepon if black dosen't take then ne3 or if g6 nh6 both unapealing positions for black