yes but black gets compensation
Black doesn’t even get activity as compensation because whites just as developed as black, if not more, because he can also easily challenge black for the e file while maintaining an extra pawn.
It's engine compensation
you have to be very prepared to play this line as black
yes but black gets compensation
Black doesn’t even get activity as compensation because whites just as developed as black, if not more, because he can also easily challenge black for the e file while maintaining an extra pawn.
It's engine compensation
what is that even supposed to mean
Where are the pawn breaks?
I favor Nfd2 over Nbd2 because it covers e4 twice, and after Nc3, white covers e4 three times.
Where are the pawn breaks?
I favor Nfd2 over Nbd2 because it covers e4 twice, and after Nc3, white covers e4 three times.
Ok...I know these are the chess.com forums and we are supposed to fight, bicker, attack, insult, get offended and such. But! I'm gonna go in a different direction.
Your move also works. And it just might be better. My apologies for not blowing up at you.
Where are the pawn breaks?
I favor Nfd2 over Nbd2 because it covers e4 twice, and after Nc3, white covers e4 three times.
Ok...I know these are the chess.com forums and we are supposed to fight, bicker, attack, insult, get offended and such. But! I'm gonna go in a different direction.
Your move also works. And it just might be better. My apologies for not blowing up at you.
Eh, I didn't mean it that way. I just felt like Nbd2 was awkward, because then the fianchettoed bishop isn't doing anything (because of the f3 knight) and the f3 knight has no useful purpose either.
ok, thank you for all your suggestions
Ill try to implement this stuff to the best of my ability (which isnt much right now)
I'm definitely more comfortable with the Open Catalan where there's guaranteed some sort of lasting pressure on the queenside but with these Triangle things i just can't really see anything, it just looks really solid
I'm definitely more comfortable with the Open Catalan where there's guaranteed some sort of lasting pressure on the queenside but with these Triangle things i just can't really see anything, it just looks really solid
actually you should be excited when your opponent plays this it ALWAYS offers white a nice with a definite advantage!
Rapidly develop your pieces. Black is likely going to liquidate the center soon enough, with exchanges and/or a c6-c5 push. So the main thing is to have your pieces on good squares for when the center pawns explode, and the dust settles.
Also, keep an eye out for exchanges or recaptures that may saddle yourself, or your opponent, with an IQP.
Sometimes playing with (or against) the IQP can be the one minor difference between winning and losing.
I'm definitely more comfortable with the Open Catalan where there's guaranteed some sort of lasting pressure on the queenside but with these Triangle things i just can't really see anything, it just looks really solid
As mentioned it is quite the opposite. In the closed catalan, if black doesn't play the disruptive Bb4ch Bd2 Bd6/Be7, black has a position which just looks solid, but has no counter-play .
On the other hand in open version there are lines where black can neutralise the Bg2 directly, and play the c5 break. Straightforward for black, and hard for a club player playing white to get anything. Alternatively very sharp lines.
There's another recent forum thread.
Might find some useful info there
i think black is struggling in the closed catalan if he doesn't go for bb4+ be7. if he goes be7 directly , nbd2, qc2 and e4 is fine. if he goes bd6 then nfd2 gains in strength as now bd6 will be hit with ne4 later after white breaks with e4.
Where are the pawn breaks?
I favor Nfd2 over Nbd2 because it covers e4 twice, and after Nc3, white covers e4 three times.
I just want to point out that Nfd2 doesn't really work if Black has his bishop on e7 there (instead of d6). Because of this line:
Nfd2 leaves the d4 pawn weak, so Black is able to liquidate some pawns because of it, making the game much easier Black.
(Just something to be aware of, regarding the Be7 vs. Bd6 difference.)
As mentioned it is quite the opposite. In the closed catalan, if black doesn't play the disruptive Bb4ch Bd2 Bd6/Be7, black has a position which just looks solid, but has no counter-play .
On the other hand in open version there are lines where black can neutralise the Bg2 directly, and play the c5 break. Straightforward for black, and hard for a club player playing white to get anything. Alternatively very sharp lines.
Bingo...as usual. 'Catalan' player usually hides behind the engine and acts like he is smart which is regurgitate clickbait . I play c5...which is about -.3 to -.4. One of thee most overrated offenses...easy to win.
Where are the pawn breaks?
I favor Nfd2 over Nbd2 because it covers e4 twice, and after Nc3, white covers e4 three times.
I just want to point out that Nfd2 doesn't really work if Black has his bishop on e7 there (instead of d6). Because of this line:
Nfd2 leaves the d4 pawn weak, so Black is able to liquidate some pawns because of it, making the game much easier Black.
(Just something to be aware of, regarding the Be7 vs. Bd6 difference.)
hmm, I forgot what white's supposed to do there. All I know is that white should probably push c5 if black can't stop e4, but it was for a specific case.
Qd3 followed by e4 is probably the simplest way to play (after ...Ba6 you play b3). Playing 7. Qc2 8. Nbd2 and 9. e4 is also very good, the most critical line is actually after delaying Nbd7 and instead playing b6 Bb7 and then Na6 (leads to equal positions), but I doubt anyone below master level is going to know that so you probably don't have to worry about it.
yes but black gets compensation
Black doesn’t even get activity as compensation because whites just as developed as black, if not more, because he can also easily challenge black for the e file while maintaining an extra pawn.