What do you play as Black against the Queen's Gambit?

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wickedNH

I play on another site and the higher rated players play it. Most often I get to push the d pawn on the c3 N.

SwimmerBill
wickedNH wrote:

I play on another site and the higher rated players play it. Most often I get to push the d pawn on the c3 N.

I've also had a lot of fun with the gambit 9. dxc5 d4!? 10. Na4 Bf5 Last time I played it however, my opponent played 11. a3 not Bf4 and I forgot the line I play.

Pappiie

Caro kann obviously

goommba88
SwimmerBill wrote:

I play the Tarrasch or the Kings Indian depending on mood, what I played last vs opponent & specifics. Generally, I like to play classical, e.g. Tarrasch, vs modern setups & players and modern, KI, vs classical setups/players.

They are both interesting games and different enough that I dont get bored. Plus, the types of positions are varied enough that there is crossover ideas in other openings I find myself in. With the Tarrasch I mix in Dubov, Schara and other gambits. With KI I generally take a narrower selection of lines. Their common features are that black gives up something for active play and that when it goes bad black can usually find ways to fight on a bit longer.

Bill

just wanted to say that the "semi tarrasch" is also good although/ if your opponent has deep prep, you can find yourself in a passive position playing for a draw. 1.d4 2.c4 3.Nf3 is a tough to crack ( Funny how masters have been playing this for over 35yrs in tournaments huh!? happy.png

Kyobir

e6, for maximum structural stability and center domination. However, one may find better results by obtaining a 4" * 8' rod of galvanized square steel and applying great force on one's opponent with said rod.

Compadre_J

The Question of this thread is actually very tricky because I don’t know.

I think from technical stand point I could of played against the Queen Gambit.

The line I play is the Grunfeld.

D4, C4, and D5 are all moves in Grunfeld so you could technically say I’m playing Queen Gambit type of position.
Its Very Tricky because I don’t think people would normally think it’s a Queen Gambit type of position.

SwimmerBill
goommba88 wrote:
 

just wanted to say that the "semi tarrasch" is also good although/ if your opponent has deep prep, you can find yourself in a passive position playing for a draw. 1.d4 2.c4 3.Nf3 is a tough to crack ( Funny how masters have been playing this for over 35yrs in tournaments huh!?

Yes- I like semi-Tarrasch and Tartakower a lot too - both solid and reasonably active. I just hardly have time to study 2 defenses as it is. Bill

DrSpudnik

The Gruenfeld is technically an Indian defense. Move order is most likely 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5.

The pawn waits two moves to get to d5, so there is no declining with e6 or c6.

jmpchess12

I play the QGA.

Compadre_J
DrSpudnik wrote:

The Gruenfeld is technically an Indian defense. Move order is most likely 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5.

The pawn waits two moves to get to d5, so there is no declining with e6 or c6.

It’s actually very tricky.

It really depends on white.

If white plays Exchange Grunfeld, than the position is probably more of an Indian defense or at very least a non-Queen Gambit position.

If white plays some of other main lines, It does seem like Queen Gambit position. Well at least from certain databases.

Some Databases will call the Grunfeld a Slav Variation.

Lines like above for example

Its definitely a Grunfeld move order.

The same position can be reached in the Slav using Slav move order which is why it is tricky

aidenplayschez

I know I am a couple days early (its June 30th in eastern time) but I will post the results and a new forum now.

The results are as follows:

Slav Defense: 3

QGA: 3

QGD: 7

Bogo Indian Defense: 2

Tarrasch Defense: 6

Modern Benoni: 1

Nimzo-Indian: 1

King's Indian Defense: 1

Grunfeld: 1

I am sorry if I miscounted and for some posts I only counted one of the answers.

This is my first time posting a forum and I will try to make better forums in the future.

Link to my new forum:

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/if-i-am-rated-570-in-rapid-is-a-1400-puzzles-rating-good

Bye!

Mazetoskylo
pcalugaru wrote:
bigbeast321 wrote:

my opinion is you should play queens gambit declined and play the tarash

The Tarrasch is a great opening. Only way to get an advantage against it is with superior technique late in the endgame (ala Karpov vs Kasparov) that said ... 99.99999% of us will never be that good... (to see the microscopic disadvantages of the Tarrasch endgame)

You don't have to worry about the ending with the isolani. The main trend currently in the Tarrasch is giving the d-pawn away.

aidenplayschez

Thanks.

I will start playing the Tarrasch as it was very popular.

monke_ah_dude

I usually play the semi slav but if my mood isnt like that i play kings indian

SwimmerBill
AstroPro6512 wrote:

Thanks.

I will start playing the Tarrasch as it was very popular.

You should play it because you like the kind of game it gives not because of popularity. (IMO) it gives activity in exchange for weaker structure. So you have to be active and not drift even for a move. At the same time, black gets winning chances if white drifts.

You often have an IQP so learning to handle those MGs and EGs is necessary.

In an extreme case, the Dubov variant ( #34 notes )ust gives a pawn outright [often]. I'm still struggling to learn the black side as I often see several natural and active moves with only 1 holding the balance.

In GM play white does well vs Tarrasch. But at my level, Tarrasch is fun to play and does as well as anything else I've played. Try it! Play some games from the position vs a computer with rating set at yours - 200, yours and yours + 200. Then analyze them and you will see the stuff you missed. AFter that if you like it, Bezgodov's book is good and (oddly) Schiller has a book on it that is good [unlike most of his other books-he did play it himself though].

Bill

The_Blue_J

Probably the Albin, I prefer not to go for positional games.

DemonicArchangel
Kyobir

guys stop taking chess seriously

crazedrat1000

Well you've played 2500 games, mostly rapid so that's like 20-25 minutes a game or so, which is about 60,000 minutes, about 1000 hours or so worth of playing time. So that's like.... 20 typical RPG games worth of time spent playing chess. That's alot of time to not take something seriously

Kyobir
ibrust wrote:

Well you've played 2500 games, mostly rapid so that's like 20-25 minutes a game or so, which is about 60,000 minutes, about 1000 hours or so worth of playing time. So that's like.... 20 typical RPG games worth of time spent playing chess. That's alot of time to not take something seriously

dude the average rapid game is like 12 minutes