What do you think of the Colle System

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llama47 wrote:

Wow, he didn't even put up a fight. He played pretty badly (in that game).

I think I just bored him to death, we played at 9am

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Usually my morning game is my best because my eyes aren’t completely dry and puffy 

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Colle is a good system to play as a beginner tbh, it's essentially just all development and centergame

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Ok

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llama47 wrote:

Best when black has played e6 blocking in the bishop. If black's bishop is on f5 or g4 then a colle is not so good.

Also a major point of the colle is the pawn break on e4... so it's not so good against setups where black hasn't played d5. So a KID type setup for example (d6 and g6) will make a colle look silly (you should play c4 and/or e4).

why would you want to block in a bishop?

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I think the Colle is the opening whose name I have heard pronounced more ways than any other.

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Colle system is often used by ultra-aggressive players. It's better to play the man and not the board when you get the Colle. It might be a timid opponent who wants safe development or it could be the most aggressive player you ever faced. That's why it's dangerous.

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Infinite_Blitz wrote:
llama47 wrote:

Best when black has played e6 blocking in the bishop. If black's bishop is on f5 or g4 then a colle is not so good.

Also a major point of the colle is the pawn break on e4... so it's not so good against setups where black hasn't played d5. So a KID type setup for example (d6 and g6) will make a colle look silly (you should play c4 and/or e4).

why would you want to block in a bishop?

More winning chances, because white can't swap it off. Then, when black eventually activates the bishop, it can be ultra strong. Therefore, a player who is stronger than his opponent would tend to block in his own bishop whilst a weaker player might think it best to develop it. Nothing wrong with that and it probably increases the chance of a draw.

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The Colle System can turn into the Semi-Slav I suppose...

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I here lots of derision about the Colle system. I am rather booked up, but still find that players often make a series of “standard mistakes” against the Colle, like locking up the center and allowing but to take black’s h pawn, knight check, Queen out, and mate. Watch out for a rook lift in this possibility too. I don’t think the reason to use it is, “Play this regardless of what black plays.”, instead, play it a bunch, and learn what black does wrong……and yes, I have more difficulty against a king knight fianchetto.
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The Colle is often played by natural tacticians, who play it extremely aggressively, to attack black's king directly. It's more principled than the London, for a start. 

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Because the Colle is far more aggressive than the Queens Gambit?

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ChesswithNickolay wrote:

No, it is weaker.

The colle is definitely much more ambitious than the queen's gambit, but black also has many lines to equality. It is possible for a weaker line to be more aggressive. For example, the center game is really aggressive but also weak.

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In the Colle, one of white's main ideas is to pawn storm and sacrifice. The undeveloped c1 bishop can help defend white's king. The Colle is harder forblack to defend against than the London. It is probably one of White's most aggressive openings and it's sound. I do not play it, so far anyway. I play the Queen's Gambit.

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Well, a lot of beginners think the Colle is passive. happy.png

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B1ZMARK wrote:

A nice game I played today, not a colle, but the structure is essentially the same as is the plans

Never have I seen a Tromposky played this way. I was following the moves and the database would jump between various games through one transposition after another, but it never stayed on one game in that order. Then it disappeared from the database on move 8, then popped back up on move 10.  It then disappeared on 11 but popped back up on 13 only to disappear forever on 14. It was kind of funny.

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ChesswithNickolay wrote:

Bro I mistook the Colle for something else. What's the Colle again (lol)?

 



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#41
This is Colle:
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1036682 

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Play 1. e4, it's better. 

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Ok