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What do you think of the Colle System
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Apr 25, 2021
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#23
Colle is a good system to play as a beginner tbh, it's essentially just all development and centergame
Ok
llama47 wrote:
Best when black has played e6 blocking in the bishop. If black's bishop is on f5 or g4 then a colle is not so good.
Also a major point of the colle is the pawn break on e4... so it's not so good against setups where black hasn't played d5. So a KID type setup for example (d6 and g6) will make a colle look silly (you should play c4 and/or e4).
why would you want to block in a bishop?
Apr 25, 2021
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#26
I think the Colle is the opening whose name I have heard pronounced more ways than any other.
The Colle System can turn into the Semi-Slav I suppose...
Jan 22, 2022
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#28
I here lots of derision about the Colle system. I am rather booked up, but still find that players often make a series of “standard mistakes” against the Colle, like locking up the center and allowing but to take black’s h pawn, knight check, Queen out, and mate. Watch out for a rook lift in this possibility too. I don’t think the reason to use it is, “Play this regardless of what black plays.”, instead, play it a bunch, and learn what black does wrong……and yes, I have more difficulty against a king knight fianchetto.
Jan 24, 2022
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#29
ChesswithNickolay wrote:
No, it is weaker.
The colle is definitely much more ambitious than the queen's gambit, but black also has many lines to equality. It is possible for a weaker line to be more aggressive. For example, the center game is really aggressive but also weak.
Jan 24, 2022
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#30
B1ZMARK wrote:
A nice game I played today, not a colle, but the structure is essentially the same as is the plans
Never have I seen a Tromposky played this way. I was following the moves and the database would jump between various games through one transposition after another, but it never stayed on one game in that order. Then it disappeared from the database on move 8, then popped back up on move 10. It then disappeared on 11 but popped back up on 13 only to disappear forever on 14. It was kind of funny.
ChesswithNickolay wrote:
Bro I mistook the Colle for something else. What's the Colle again (lol)?
#41
This is Colle:
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1036682
Play 1. e4, it's better.
Ok
Jan 25, 2022
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#35
NikkiLikeChikki wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
A nice game I played today, not a colle, but the structure is essentially the same as is the plans
Never have I seen a Tromposky played this way. I was following the moves and the database would jump between various games through one transposition after another, but it never stayed on one game in that order. Then it disappeared from the database on move 8, then popped back up on move 10. It then disappeared on 11 but popped back up on 13 only to disappear forever on 14. It was kind of funny.
Huh interesting
Optimissed wrote:
1 e4 is dull by comparison.
No. 1. e4 opens up a world of possibilities for the tactical player. There's a reason why Bobby Fischer almost never played 1. d4!
Optimissed wrote:
I think the reason for that was that despite Bobby Fischer being a superb player, he didn't enjoy the complexity of d4 openings, compared with the comparitive clarity and simplicity of 1. e4 openings. And it would have meant too much preparation in less tactical situations, which he enjoyed less. Nothing at all to do with relative strengths of 1 e4 and 1 d4. Just that 1. e4 usually brings tactics quicker.
I agree. However, I do not think the Sicilian Defense after 1. e4 can be described as "clear or simple"!
Jan 25, 2022
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#38
Optimissed wrote:
I think the reason for that was that despite Bobby Fischer being a superb player, he didn't enjoy the complexity of d4 openings, compared with the comparitive clarity and simplicity of 1. e4 openings. And it would have meant too much preparation in less tactical situations, which he enjoyed less. Nothing at all to do with relative strengths of 1 e4 and 1 d4. Just that 1. e4 usually brings tactics quicker.
I think this is being over thought. By Occams razor I believe Fischer just liked the position after e4 better than d4.
A lot of us say stupid things regarding openings as well.
Fun fact: The Colle is pronounced as "Col" not "Collie" as in the dog breed...
Jan 25, 2022
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#40
ChesswithNickolay wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
ChesswithNickolay wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
Far less passive than the London. Colle is an aggressive attacking system. It's related to the Stonewall attack but far more flexible. Still has the same weakness .... if black can get the light squared bishops off.
I highly doubt it is an aggressive attacking system.
Really? What is it then?
An extremely passive system, a London player who got destroyed and wanted to try something "unknown" and "new".
funniest thing ive read on this thread
it all depends on how people play it. When played correctly it's (at worst) as good as the slav, which has a stellar reputation.
Wow, he didn't even put up a fight. He played pretty badly (in that game).
I think I just bored him to death, we played at 9am