What do you Think that the "Drawiest" Openings are?

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Compadre_J
ThrillerFan wrote:
Compadre_J wrote:
sndeww wrote:
Compadre_J wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:

I repeat! I play the Petroff to WIN!

Yeah, We see the type of WIN’s your playing for.

You should be ashamed of yourself for beating up on 1,200 Elo rated players.

never be ashamed to beat up low rated players!!

You bring Shame to your family for beating up on poor, Nathan.

What a rating mismatch.

You bring Shame to your family for being an utter disgrace on the chess.com forums. You get paired against whoever you get paired against. Like when I won the third round in post 11, it was completely beyond my control who I faced. I played in the open section. You cannot go any higher than that. The fact that I played a 2243, 1888, 1741, 1704, and 1857 (LWWWD) was completely out of my control.

The situation was likely the same for sndeww.

You play who you are assigned to face. The fact that you can't accept that and try to smear the reputation of others on this site makes you nothing more than a complete disgrace to God!

WowowoW - You didn’t say it was an OTB Tournament.

You still haven’t said it was an OTB game.

You also didn’t show your opponents rating!

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Don’t Blame me for calling you out on your Suspicious Dishonest Chess Nature.

You only said you was entering a Tournament.

I have seen the Dishonest Tournaments people have entered on Chess sites.

A 2,000 rated player pretending to be King of the Universe against bunch of 1,400 rated players.

Happens all the time! - We have name for these Dishonest Chess Players!

We call the Noob Stompers or Fake 2k players.

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Most OTB Chess Tournament's have Ceiling & Floor to prevent Rating Mismatch.

It matches people with similar ratings.

Its very unlikely for a person to get matched with huge rating mismatch.

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You can’t lie to us!

You have no control because only the Tournament Officials have control to create rating fairness.

‘That’s the way it should be.

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Did you play against a 1,400 rated player or not?

What was his rating?

If you did, Than you deserve to be shamed.

You should have called the Arbiter to talk about the rating mismatch.

The only Honest thing to do is to tell Arbiter so they can fix the error.

sndeww
Compadre_J wrote:

Most OTB Chess Tournament's have Ceiling & Floor to prevent Rating Mismatch.

It matches people with similar ratings.

Its very unlikely for a person to get matched with huge rating mismatch.

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You can’t lie to us!

You have no control because only the Tournament Officials have control to create rating fairness.

‘That’s the way it should be.

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Did you play against a 1,400 rated player or not?

What was his rating?

If you did, Than you deserve to be shamed.

You should have called the Arbiter to talk about the rating mismatch.

The only Honest thing to do is to tell Arbiter so they can fix the error.

Ceiling? Ceiling where? Do you mean sections, like U1200, U1800, etc? Some smaller tournaments only have a few sections, like U1200 and Open (this is the case for my university's chess club tournaments). Some tournaments have no sections - the state scholastic is one of them, as it is divided by school level (high, middle, elementary). It's very common to play low rated players.

Rating floors also do more to create mismatches than mitigate! Imagine a player who plays at 1700 strength, but because of his floor, he's at 1900.... isn't that just free rating points?

And low rated players can sign up for higher rated sections. I'd know - I've done it before!

U2100 as a 1600:

And calling the arbiter? Because your opponent's rating is too low? Are you joking?

Compadre_J

Oh, yeah

A 300-400 rating difference is unacceptable.

Arbiter definitely has to be called.

We are not talking about Casual Games.

We are talking about Serious Games.

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Casual Games/Unrated Games are much different vs. Serious Games.

If a person is just playing for fun, It’s completely different.

If it’s a Casual Game, Both players can decide not to play.

If they do both decide to play, Even if their is a mismatch, the game is still light hearted.

No one is forcing them to play each other which is what happens in a Serious Game.

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They usually do brackets in increments of 200 in Serious Rated Games.

Like the following:

U1200

U1400

U1600

U1800

U2000

Its to create Fairness in a Competitive Setting where people are being forced to play each other.

You can’t beat up on low level players in chess.

Its against the Rules and even people try to Weasel around the rules with excuses.

It’s still an Ethical Dilemma.

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Chess for many Centuries was considered to be a Gentlemen’s Game.

I would even argue the game today is still a Gentlemen’s & Ladies Game.

Its bad form to have such a rating disparity.

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Image being 1,200 being forced to play against players 400 points higher vs. you (1,600).

Your going to feel so sad in the chess game.

It’s going to feel so hopeless.

Your not going to want to keep playing.

You might even quit chess.

It would result in 1 less chess player in world if such a thing is allowed to happen.

This is why they have such Regulations in place to begin with.

Players should feel like they have chance to win so the game is fun.

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Historically, If 2 players had such a great rating difference, The Arbiter had the power to give the weaker chess player a Handicap.

Same thing happens in any Profession or Sport.

The Arbiter would give the weaker player Odds.

- Pawn Odds would mean the Stronger player would play game down 1 Pawn.

- Knight Odds would mean the Stronger player would play game down 1 knight.

Etc. All the way to Queen Odds.

So instead of starting the game with equal pieces - 1 side would be down a piece in order to preserve fairness.

Its about Honesty and making sure both sides feel like they have chance.

sndeww

If you create so many sections, it is absolutely laughable. Most tournaments will have around two people per section, if they're lucky. Isn't that just free money? What chess organization has that kind of funds? Most of them already operate at a loss to begin with.

"Imagine being 1200, being forced to play a 1600... you'd feel so sad, and hopeless" This is the mindset of almost no one that plays tournament chess. Every low rated player is eager to try to make an upset. No one is owed a "chance to win" - that's something you have to obtain yourself through play and study. What's next? Give everyone a medal for participating? Oh wait....

Compadre_J

Of Course, you need all those Sections.

It is for the Horde of Chess Players coming!

ThrillerFan
noahcplayschessgames wrote:

also god agrees with him

No he doesn't. You are altering my posts when he is the one being offensive telling us to not beat lower rated players when we have no control over who we play against in over the board tournaments.

Stop backing up that dumb clown and back up the people that are being attacked like us!

What a disgrace YOU are! SMH!

ThrillerFan
Compadre_J wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:
Compadre_J wrote:
sndeww wrote:
Compadre_J wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:

I repeat! I play the Petroff to WIN!

Yeah, We see the type of WIN’s your playing for.

You should be ashamed of yourself for beating up on 1,200 Elo rated players.

never be ashamed to beat up low rated players!!

You bring Shame to your family for beating up on poor, Nathan.

What a rating mismatch.

You bring Shame to your family for being an utter disgrace on the chess.com forums. You get paired against whoever you get paired against. Like when I won the third round in post 11, it was completely beyond my control who I faced. I played in the open section. You cannot go any higher than that. The fact that I played a 2243, 1888, 1741, 1704, and 1857 (LWWWD) was completely out of my control.

The situation was likely the same for sndeww.

You play who you are assigned to face. The fact that you can't accept that and try to smear the reputation of others on this site makes you nothing more than a complete disgrace to God!

WowowoW - You didn’t say it was an OTB Tournament.

You still haven’t said it was an OTB game.

You also didn’t show your opponents rating!

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Don’t Blame me for calling you out on your Suspicious Dishonest Chess Nature.

You only said you was entering a Tournament.

I have seen the Dishonest Tournaments people have entered on Chess sites.

A 2,000 rated player pretending to be King of the Universe against bunch of 1,400 rated players.

Happens all the time! - We have name for these Dishonest Chess Players!

We call the Noob Stompers or Fake 2k players.

————————————————

Most OTB Chess Tournament's have Ceiling & Floor to prevent Rating Mismatch.

It matches people with similar ratings.

Its very unlikely for a person to get matched with huge rating mismatch.

————————————————

You can’t lie to us!

You have no control because only the Tournament Officials have control to create rating fairness.

‘That’s the way it should be.

———————————

Did you play against a 1,400 rated player or not?

What was his rating?

If you did, Than you deserve to be shamed.

You should have called the Arbiter to talk about the rating mismatch.

The only Honest thing to do is to tell Arbiter so they can fix the error.

Maybe you wouldn't be so utterly stupid if you would quit making assumptions.

I have played in almost 3600 over the board games. I play in over the board tournaments more than I play here (I have more games here only because they are 3 minute, not hours long).

I don't post garbage from games here unless it is something phenominal. 99% of games I post are over the board. Plus, the fact that you see last names and not user handles should also be a clue that it's over the board. Or are you one of those Gen Z or Gen Alpha people that don't understand what a context clue is? The fact that it says "Land of the Sky" and "Asheville, NC" should also be clear as day it was over the board.

And not all OTB tournaments have the same limitations.

Tournaments in Charlotte have 200 point ranges and a limit of playing up 100 points, so if the sections are open, U2100, U1900, U1700, etc, an 1800 can play the U2100 section, but a 1799 cannot.

You go to other cities, like this was Asheville, NC, you could play up 1 section without paying an extra fee. So with sections being Open, U1900, U1500, U1100, and U700, a 1500 could play in the Open Section. I think the lowest was the lower 1600s.

I cannot stop them from playing up, and the fact that he had 1.5/2 says something. I happened to be the highest rated 2 that was due Black and he was the lowest 1.5, due White. I have no control over that, and all I could do is play the game and win. The fact that he was in the mid-1700s is nothing I can control.

But to start knocking people for beating lower rated players is an utter disgrace!

Also, you say the rating was never mentioned - read the freaking message you replied to. The 5 ratings are listed. The board indicates it was round 3, which would mean the 3rd rating listed in the post. 1741, not 1400 Bozo!

Try reading context clues, like real names, before assuming everyone's life is as utter sad as yours!

Compadre_J

I didn’t assume anything.

I stand by everything I said.

An I have been vindicated by your own words.

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- You said you play Petroff to win.

A couple of people told you players don’t really play the Petroff to win.

- You ignored them. Then proceeded to double down on your previous statement. Then you show a game as an example. The game was filled with massive errors.

I analyzed the game.

Based on my own personal experience in looking at chess games, I concluded the player playing against you was preforming at a rating of 1,400.

I didn’t say the person was 1,400.

I asked you what rating the player was because you didn’t show it.

Sometimes, players can be rated 1800, but due to having bad day or other factors might play a game suboptimal making them seem like a lower rated player.

And sometimes the opposite happens where a player is lower rated, but is preforming very good in a game which might make them seem higher vs. their rating.

Which is why, it’s better to have large sample of games to really determine a players strength.

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In the end, The point I was making is still valid.

You played against a low rated player!

The player rating According to you is 1741.

You are an Expert Class Chess player.

Even if the player is rated 1741, it’s still around a 400 point difference.

1,400 or 1741 chess rating makes no difference.

They are still to weak to play against you because you are way too strong.

Playing players below 1800 is like playing Noobs for you that’s how vastly different the chess skill is.

And now that you have admitted to playing a player 1,741. You have vindicated me because you did in fact play a lower rated player.

It’s considered dishonest to play low rated chess players. You know this as well as I do.

Then you use excuses as if you have no control.

You have the right at the Chess Board to call the Arbiter and the Arbiter has the power to do anything. They given the control to do what needs to be done for fairness.

Did you call the Arbiter?

Did you even attempt to do the Honest thing?

You could have called the Arbiter and told the Arbiter about the rating mismatch.

Then the Arbiter could have made a decision.

Even if the Arbiter said, Everything is fine and that the opponent chose to play in the bracket.

At least, you would have your conscious clear knowing that you at least tried doing the Honest thing.

Yeah, I don’t think your case for the Petroff is valid. Petroff is just a draw line.

ThrillerFan
Compadre_J wrote:

I didn’t assume anything.

I stand by everything I said.

An I have been vindicated by your own words.

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- You said you play Petroff to win.

A couple of people told you players don’t really play the Petroff to win.

- You ignored them. Then proceeded to double down on your previous statement. Then you show a game as an example. The game was filled with massive errors.

I analyzed the game.

Based on my own personal experience in looking at chess games, I concluded the player playing against you was preforming at a rating of 1,400.

I didn’t say the person was 1,400.

I asked you what rating the player was because you didn’t show it.

Sometimes, players can be rated 1800, but due to having bad day or other factors might play a game suboptimal making them seem like a lower rated player.

And sometimes the opposite happens where a player is lower rated, but is preforming very good in a game which might make them seem higher vs. their rating.

Which is why, it’s better to have large sample of games to really determine a players strength.

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In the end, The point I was making is still valid.

You played against a low rated player!

The player rating According to you is 1741.

You are an Expert Class Chess player.

Even if the player is rated 1741, it’s still around a 400 point difference.

1,400 or 1741 chess rating makes no difference.

They are still to weak to play against you because you are way too strong.

Playing players below 1800 is like playing Noobs for you that’s how vastly different the chess skill is.

And now that you have admitted to playing a player 1,741. You have vindicated me because you did in fact play a lower rated player.

It’s considered dishonest to play low rated chess players. You know this as well as I do.

Then you use excuses as if you have no control.

You have the right at the Chess Board to call the Arbiter and the Arbiter has the power to do anything. They given the control to do what needs to be done for fairness.

Did you call the Arbiter?

Did you even attempt to do the Honest thing?

You could have called the Arbiter and told the Arbiter about the rating mismatch.

Then the Arbiter could have made a decision.

Even if the Arbiter said, Everything is fine and that the opponent chose to play in the bracket.

At least, you would have your conscious clear knowing that you at least tried doing the Honest thing.

Yeah, I don’t think your case for the Petroff is valid. Petroff is just a draw line.

You are a complete imbecile! There is no calling the Arbiter about pairings. It was an opening section. The next section down was Under 1900 and the section after that was Under 1500. Anybody was allowed to play up 1 section without a fee (meaning 1500 to 1899 could play in the Open without an extra fee beyond the standard entry fee) and multiple sections by paying a higher entry. Nobody under 1500 played in the Open Section.

Then it is a Swiss system, either with or without accelerated pairings. This event was Accelerated, which with the top section being FIDE Rated, requires the use of the BAKU system, not the USCF accelerated pairing system. With players rated in the 1600s and 1700s in the same section as a 2376 player, lopsided pairings will happen. And I had recently fallen to 1976, which was my rating for this event. So 1976 vs 1741 isn't even the 300 point difference you claim. But even if the 2376 played one of the 1600 players, it would be due to Swiss System pairings.

I played in the US Open this past summer and in the first round, I played a 1300 player because it is one big open section with Swiss pairings. Every round 1 game was lopsided, like 500 to 1000 rating difference at every board. And in some cases, the lower rated player drew or even won! Not many instances in round 1, but they existed!

Get your head out from where it doesn't belong and realize that is how tournaments work. You will have close pairings and you will have lopsided pairings.

The New York Giants suck. The Kansas City Chiefs are a power house. The New York Giants have to play the Kansas City Chiefs in East Rutherford, New Jersey next season. You going to go protest to the NFL about the mismatch? PA-LEEZ! The same happens in chess and whether you are playing 500 points up, 500 down, or 235 down (as was my case), your job is the same. Beat your opponent!

Now stop making a complete and utter fool of yourself, and CEASE AND DESIST with your BS of telling us that we play unethically simply because we are paired to play an opponent that is rated multiple-hundreds of rating points below us. Just stop and zip it now until you have something intelligent to say, which you have yet to do!

Compadre_J

I would rather be called an Honorable Fool.

Than a Dishonorable Scavenger.

The way people Scavenge around beating up on low rated players to pad their chess rating is so despicable.

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If I was in that Swiss Tournament, You better believe things would be different!

I would be asking for the Arbiter Immediately!

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Anyway, It doesn’t matter.

It’s the past. No one can fix the past.

The point of this thread is to talk about draws.

Most Honorable & Solid Openings can be considered draw openings.

Some draw more vs. others.

I have drew a lot of games with the Italian Game.

So I am going to recommend the Italian Game the 4.d3 line.

Quiet Solid Approach.