What is the worst opening?

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What do you think is the worst opening, discounting refuted ones like the Damiano?
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Fools mate. For black if course.

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The elephant gambit or Englund gambit

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JustAGDFan wrote:

The elephant gambit or Englund gambit

As someone who still plays the englund because he hasn't bothered to build a repertoire against d4, I completely agree with this message

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Unironically? The Fried Fox sucks. I'd say it's the worst as the position is already -1.53 after f3

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if you want a not-refuted opening that is bad and still is getting played, then Benko gambit it is

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JustAGDFan wrote:

The elephant gambit or Englund gambit

I play both of these with success at the 2500 level and beyond

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im him

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cellen01 wrote:

if you want a not-refuted opening that is bad and still is getting played, then Benko gambit it is

Benko gambit? Now there's the cure for that type of gambit

My opinion for the baddest opening is the 1.f3 e5 2.g4 line

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For white

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And the worst opening for black is the damiano

Played by newbies

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London, French, Spanish are worst

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GYG wrote:
JustAGDFan wrote:

The elephant gambit or Englund gambit

I play both of these with success at the 2500 level and beyond

I play Englund at 1400 and have a winning percentage

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GYG wrote:
JustAGDFan wrote:

The elephant gambit or Englund gambit

I play both of these with success at the 2500 level and beyond

Do you always play Englund like this? I saw you did in one of your games.

1.
d4
e5
2.
dxe5

d5

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I faced 1h4 2h5 3h6 once. I played 3..nxh6 and i guess he was surprised, with a pause.

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Sadlone wrote:

London, French, Spanish are worst

Why?

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mwrr25 wrote:

Do you always play Englund like this? I saw you did in one of your games.

1.
d4
e5
2.
dxe5

d5

I sometimes play that order, and I sometimes play 1.d4 e5 2.dxe5 Nc6 3.Nf3 d5. which is more accurate since 1.d4 e5 2.dxe5 d5 3.e4! is good for white

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Masa sih?

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SapolNassar wrote:
What do you think is the worst opening, discounting refuted ones like the Damiano?

First, the Damiano is not refuted. It is a playable gambit, as long as you don't play the insane 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f6 3. Nxe5 fxe5?? blunder.

Second, any opening that is recognized as an opening is probably at least half-decent. "The worst" is probably some non-opening like when the guy pushes all 8 pawns in the fist 8 moves.

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are checkmate traps " recognised as openings"

because then i nominate fools mate