what should i play vs the sicilian (now a discussion of whites side of the sicilian)

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Sea_TurtIe

7 am for me lmao

SamuelAjedrez95
Ilampozhil25 wrote:

wait why cxd4 and not something like qb6

theres a thing in the advance french where black should wait for wNb1 to move then only take the pawn, i think? so that should apply here?

I don't know about that case, but in this case it develops the DSB with tempo, preparing kingside castling.

SamuelAjedrez95
Sea_TurtIe wrote:

ok what about this

can white just hold on to the c5 pawn for his life?

Yeah, I guess so. It drops e5, but it doesn't seem so simple.

It's interesting.

Ilampozhil25

hmm

this feels more in line with the french

SamuelAjedrez95
Ilampozhil25 wrote:

hmm

this feels more in line with the french

I think it doesn't work the same way as in the French. Normally in the French, black would play something like Nge7-Nf5 to apply additional pressure to the pawn. Here it's very slow as black spent a tempo to play Bf5 and now would have to spend another to play Bg6 to allow Nf5.

Ilampozhil25

black doesnt need to go Bf5?

anyway this just proves to caro players that "bishop outside pawn chain" isnt everything, given that their precious bishop prevents options in a tempo up version of their opening but i digress

Ethan_Brollier
Ilampozhil25 wrote:

black doesnt need to go Bf5?

anyway this just proves to caro players that "bishop outside pawn chain" isnt everything, given that their precious bishop prevents options in a tempo up version of their opening but i digress

Yeah but White can play Ne2 f3 to hang onto the pawn, with plans to fianchetto the LSB and castle short

Ethan_Brollier
FrogboyWarpz wrote:

I mean ig..

what do you think about Alapin fr

2. c3 is premature and passive, allowing Black to take control of the initiative. Much better is 2. Nf3 d6 3. c3, after which d5 is a waste of a tempo, and Nf6 can be completely ignored as it doesn’t actually threaten the e4 pawn because of Qa4+, winning the knight.

Ethan_Brollier
Sea_TurtIe wrote:

lets get the elephant out of the room

what if this?

It’s like playing 2. e5 in the Scandinavian. Technically playable, but… why?

Ethan_Brollier
TheSampson wrote:
FrogboyWarpz wrote:

Sampson i said be3 not bd3

oh sorry

Black managed to completely equalize. The analysis is literally 0.00. White chose to draw despite being the side that needs to win. If the roles were reversed, this would be a great position! Black would have managed to equalize and secure at least a draw. But, no. White initiated this position, not black.

Either way, black has a ton of room to move around with his rooks. Blink and a rook will be pointed directly at white's king. Meanwhile, white has to move his knight and queen in order for his rooks to be in the game, wasting a bit of time that could be precious in an endgame.

I disagree. The Alapin is meant to be drawish, and after 14. Ne4 Nxe4 15. Qxe4 or 14. Ne4 Qe5/Qf5 15. Nxf6 Qxf6, White’s queen is better placed, and I’d rather play White in this endgame. Still a draw with best play, but isn’t chess in general just a draw with best play? Besides, this is with perfect play from Black. @FrogboyWarpz, 6. Be3 is a really interesting try and possibly one of the best ways to play the position

pleewo
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:
Sea_TurtIe wrote:

lets get the elephant out of the room

what if this?

This is really good for black. They basically get a structure which has the benefits of the Caro and French combined with none of the weaknesses. c5 in 1 move, LSB outside the pawn chain.

It's not automatically winning, but just allows black the dream setup.

fair enough, but you are still playing for 3 results and white is definetly not worse

pleewo
Ethan_Brollier wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
FrogboyWarpz wrote:

Sampson i said be3 not bd3

oh sorry

Black managed to completely equalize. The analysis is literally 0.00. White chose to draw despite being the side that needs to win. If the roles were reversed, this would be a great position! Black would have managed to equalize and secure at least a draw. But, no. White initiated this position, not black.

Either way, black has a ton of room to move around with his rooks. Blink and a rook will be pointed directly at white's king. Meanwhile, white has to move his knight and queen in order for his rooks to be in the game, wasting a bit of time that could be precious in an endgame.

I disagree. The Alapin is meant to be drawish, and after 14. Ne4 Nxe4 15. Qxe4 or 14. Ne4 Qe5/Qf5 15. Nxf6 Qxf6, White’s queen is better placed, and I’d rather play White in this endgame. Still a draw with best play, but isn’t chess in general just a draw with best play? Besides, this is with perfect play from Black. @FrogboyWarpz, 6. Be3 is a really interesting try and possibly one of the best ways to play the position

lets go common kirby W ( W pfp )