heres a great example on what white wants vs what he gets vs a good players
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what should i play vs the sicilian (now a discussion of whites side of the sicilian)
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May 6, 2023
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#43
what happened here
so someone suggested the grand prix, someone else suggested 2. Be2, and someone else else suggested the morphy gambit for transposition
i had another idea
2. Ne2 to transpose into the main lines while confusing my opponent
what is your all opinion on 1. e4 c5 2. Ne2 e5 (if it is bad i will forget this idea)
or 1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. Nf3 e5 4. c3, in the case of morphy gambit
2. Ne2 is ok if you want to confuse someone into playing idk a Sveshnikov or Dragon. Like if you really want to do this. There is this weird line though which is more favourable for black with the knight on e2.
The Morphy Gambit isn't very good. Black doesn't play 4. ...dxc3 like the post claims. Black plays 4. ...Nc6 and can basically force an endgame which is better for black.
The endgame is better for black as their pieces are more active. This is where a lot of beginners say "But black lost castling rights! They must be worse!". Black has Ke7 or Kc7 and is totally fine, better developed, white's knight is pinned, black is doing great.
samuel, do you think that white gets any real play in the grand prix if black knows what hes doing?
mrOpenRuy wrote:
samuel, do you think that white gets any real play in the grand prix if black knows what hes doing?
No. If black knows what he's doing then of course 0 chance.
Same with the Closed Sicilian. Some of these openings are ok in blitz and bullet, like pretty much every other opening. However, in classical games, they just aren't a viable long term weapon and are demonstrated to be inferior.
Cue the wing gambiteers. A terrible opening.
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:
FrogboyWarpz wrote:
It isn’t a bad move at all in my opinion, just because you won the game doesn’t mean it’s a bad opening. The idea is to play a Grand Prix but with the bishop on e2.
https://www.chessable.com/the-british-grand-prix-attack/course/91081/
It was recommended in this course by Simon Williams and Richard Palliser. And white hasn’t abandoned d4 at all in this opening, white hasn’t committed to nc3 and will actually play c3 often here. It’s an opening that is probably going to make its way into my repertoire sooner or later
Of course, just because someone won the game doesn't mean the opening is bad. However, a common theme of that game was that white was really struggling for space and the e2 bishop was really clogging up white's pieces.
Basically the exact setup you describe was played actually.
And it was something like this structure.
That is probably just be because your opponent was not playing it properly,
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:
Even so, the engine just likes 2. ...d5. I did consider this in the game but I thought it would still be something like a Scandi down a tempo. Turns out the bishop on e2 completely justifies it.
So it basically prevents f4.
I think Simon talked about some setup against it. Against 3..d5 with nc6 before he gives d3 and goes into an endgame that he likes for white
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:
mrOpenRuy wrote:
samuel, do you think that white gets any real play in the grand prix if black knows what hes doing?
No. If black knows what he's doing then of course 0 chance.
What?! If black and white both know what they are doing, white will still get chances.
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:
Same with the Closed Sicilian. Some of these openings are ok in blitz and bullet, like pretty much every other opening. However, in classical games, they just aren't a viable long term weapon and are demonstrated to be inferior.
They may be inferior to say open Sicilian, but they are still a valid weapon. Especially the Magnus Sicilian
FrogboyWarpz wrote:
That is probably just be because your opponent was not playing it properly,
I didn't play it in the best way either. Like I said, I never saw the move before. The drawbacks of Be2 just made it easier for me to play. 2. Be2 isn't automatically losing but is passive.
Simon Williams has some interesting ideas and likes his offbeat openings. Some are ok. The Lion Philidor line he showed was very cool.
The issue with those who are passionate about the offbeat and 'quirky' is that sometimes they will try to justify pretty much any move which doesn't lose on the spot. They can find the best possible continuation for that move but it just doesn't offer practical chances compared to other lines.
FrogboyWarpz wrote:
What?! If black and white both know what they are doing, white will still get chances.
If black doesn't know what he's doing, white will get chances. At top level, the GPA is basically soft-refuted.
FrogboyWarpz wrote:
They may be inferior to say open Sicilian, but they are still a valid weapon. Especially the Magnus Sicilian
The Magnus Sicilian offers somewhat more practical chances as it contests the dark squares, playing a "Delayed Open Sicilian". White has lost a tempo with the queen though, not the most detrimental thing in the world in this instance but still relevant.
I've noticed that black is scoring a lot higher with this f5 line.
I don’t think the f5 line is any problem. Bb2 and 0-0-0
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:
FrogboyWarpz wrote:
That is probably just be because your opponent was not playing it properly,
I didn't play it in the best way either. Like I said, I never saw the move before. The drawbacks of Be2 just made it easier for me to play. 2. Be2 isn't automatically losing but is passive.
Simon Williams has some interesting ideas and likes his offbeat openings. Some are ok. The Lion Philidor line he showed was very cool.
The issue with those who are passionate about the offbeat and 'quirky' is that sometimes they will try to justify pretty much any move which doesn't lose on the spot. They can find the best possible continuation for that move but it just doesn't offer practical chances compared to other lines.
They actually do look like they offer practical chances. Try the short and sweet, or look at the reviews. If it has the praise of the legendary hoop, I’m interested
May 7, 2023
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#58
ok something else happened here
seriously, i leave then everyone starts talking about random stuff
#44 thanks i wont do any weird move orders
#47 is the reason i said no gambits, i knew someone would come with 3 lines, a youtube video and say "this opening has worked amazingly for me"
and as i predicted, this thread is now people talking about random variations of the sicilian
im fine though, i knew that
atleast you arent a) talking about black or b) talking about stuff that isnt even the sicilian
FrogboyWarpz wrote:
I don’t think the f5 line is any problem. Bb2 and 0-0-0
It's still playable for white. It's not that the Magnus Sicilian is refuted. Black just has very good chances in this line.
8. Bb2 Nf6 and now e4 hangs, 9. Bd3 Qa5.
often when white abandons the center for the flank, you should strike in the center
also in the grand prix white often sacrifices and throws everything at black for a checkmate on h7 or f7. and if it does not work then black wins typically