what should i play vs the sicilian (now a discussion of whites side of the sicilian)

Fair, but playing the Rossolimo and the Moscow limit it down to the mainlines of the opening, the Nimzowitsch, the Hyper-Accelerated Dragon and a few other minor sidelines (plus the rossolimo and the Moscow weren’t even my main recommendations)

mr.OpenRuy the Rossi is more positional and can transpose to the moscow I think but The grand prix I think poses white seripus problem and is very dangerous up to a 2200 level I think. Ive seen carlsen play the main line agaisnt jobava in bullet and mate him in 20 moves using all the grand prix ideas its on the gotham chanel, I dont like him but ome of the content is good. Why do you think the Rossi is better? its a bit more complicated is it not?

I see what your saying objectively it's better

we all can agree on that, thank god

but for sub 2000 guys (and i play bc4 taking the knight asap but anyway

bc4 taking what knight!? and where

, i love it bc its so simple you need 6 moves of theory its almost a system

aah, i would hate it coz of that, thats just lazy and wouldnt even work

and its extremely dangerous while the rosilimo is positional and slow so to me it's preference

yeah

i just think you will win more often then not with the grand prix.

i would also do the same thing with the open though so idk what this means

with any closed sicilian white gives black everything can can dream of regarding queenside play and squares but imo the grand prix is the best anti-sicilian based of the win rate and time spent learning.

hmm i thought we were rating anti sicilian kings based on objective stuff

I also like the hedge hod with black I've been playing that for awhile in 5/0 or rapid not blitz or bullet.

'that feels like its reversed

also 5|0 IS blitz

Hedgehog is fantastic but quite complex probably player 1500 and up will reap benefits on it imo.

and now youre back to talking about blacks side

good job

umm ok so 1. bc4 was in your position thumb nail

i do not recall this at all

which post

I think I thought ai said bb5 taking the knight bc that would be the only knight to take.

so the rossolimo?

2. Lazy maybe, there's quite a bit of theory with the d4 gambit

yeah

thats funny, the people being like "so much theory in open sicilian" only to memo a bunch of lines in their pet opening

and other sidelines but im focusing on the main line

last time i checked grand prix isnt a mainline?

and yea a few moves to memorize but it's the tactical patters and motifs which must also be committed to memory.

obviously

You saying it's just lazy hell ya not every1 wants to learn dense obtuse theory

not saying they should

many peoples problem is "there are so many lines, aah" and im saying "ok, learn the ideas of each is it so hard"

that they wont use if they play sub 1800-2000 in the open sicilian. you saying" it wouldn't work? what? which part? giving no explanation

aah no, its just a thing where its basically impossible to just play the same system in every game, chess is a two player game; it might work for you if so good but i had used a systemish opening before and with bad results 
3. I win with this opening you say doesn't work. against 2000's in bullet and of course lower rated guys in blitz it works. the point being it works pressuming im not gunna suggest somting that does'nt work or I have no exp. in. So i said I win worth it what's the bid deal and whys it bother you?

im finding it hard to understand this, mightve been typed kinda fast

but i mean, its my choice as to what i should play and ive rejected this (more like accepted something else) and asked for people to critique that; the only thing ive got is "so many lines" (refuted argument) and "mine also works" (coz yours works, doesnt mean mine will not work)4. It is objective the the closed sicilian white typically plays on the ling side tries to lock the center black play in the queenside? is this not true

perhaps

idk, but look at the lines (in this thread somewhere) and idk what center play white has, or kingside play; looks like black will rollover white on the queenside

5. yea I should have mentioned the plan on how white deals with it through the maroczy but these threads c'mon ppl talking about all kinda stuff nothing to do with chess so it's not that big of a deal like seriouly

i guess

but i would like to keep it on topic

and which maroczy bind, vs the kan or accelerated dragon or what

you want to keep it on topic this is the topic the hedgehog is a defense that white should know how to play against you dont like it thats cool

aah you didnt mention the hedgehog, i was posting and then you mentioned it

i thought you were saying "do you like playing the hedgehog" ie blacks pov, not facing it

makes sense, though doesnt the hedgehog usually come from 1. c4?

to I simply mentioed it and you had a problem big enought to fell the need to type about it..

you talked about probably 5 other things in that post

And no bb5 when the knight is on c6 you take and play f4

aah ok

bc its the grand prix remember not the rossi. When people suggest open sicilian mainlines i consider them obtuse and dense

they arent though!?

the ideas arent really so obtuse (e.g. the italian is far more obtuse) and dense... not really, black has many ideas in most openings anyway (ignoring it with a system might give bad positions)

so I assume it's implied and I was giving my opinion as you like to say "obviously". YES there are variations and side lines all systems have them and yea the grand prix has a main line or at least a defacto one but as I said the concept of playing on the dark squares

huh!?

you give black all the dark squares?

black goes nc6 g6 bg7 and dominates them, which dark square play are you talking about

and motifs and themes that go with it are easy to learn which is why I recommend it

cool, i said no

my point was if someone were to investigate all the different obscure variations/side lines/alternate moves they dont need to

this point is weird

so youre saying that you dont care about weird stuff black can do? why?

unlike other sicilians.
Please look we have different opinions

yeah i agree to disagree here

and besides, when did i say yours is wrong

remember, i might be talking about sampsons points (if so, i mentioned it i think) coz those are just worse, adversial to the open (unlike you who are fine with it) and refutable

and yes in this post i got sarcastic bc I felt annoyed but it's not that deep for you (or me) to talk down on me from a pedestal

i really dont get this point

when have i "talked from a pedestal"

we are all here to have discussions sometimes we are wrong and sometimes were not but like breaking my message down systematically is fine

i like to do it this way because its more like replying to everything, and helps to give context

but to just say obviously or anything else pretentious helps noone ya know?

since when is saying obviously considered pretentious?

some things are, just, obvious

the king of anti sicilians???

the Rossolimo holds that title for its the only anti sicilian we can respect

wooow

i dont play ruy from white (initiator)

dont play naj from black (initiator) 

dont play nimzo at all

there are mainlines which arent main main lines

e.g stuff like the scotch, sideline in that case would be ponziani

Qxb2 and oh no my rook

theres some line like this btw couldnt remember it exactly

then compare it to this

I have no idea what you are talking about. There is plenty of rich ideas and fun!