play4fun64 wrote:
Try the Petrosian variation.
1. d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.d5
the Petrosian variation is good because it stops black from playing Nc6. the usual response is a5.
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chessterd5 wrote:
play4fun64 wrote:
Try the Petrosian variation.
1. d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.d5
the Petrosian variation is good because it stops black from playing Nc6. the usual response is a5.
Whenever white pushes d4-d5, the ideal square for the knight is at c5.
...Nc6 is played to FORCE white to block the center- else, thet knight is not so well placed at e7.
Mazetoskylo wrote:
Ethan_Brollier wrote:
Flowchart for the KID. The old 9... Ne8 variation plays out almost identically to the modern 9... Nd7, so no need for two separate lines there.
11.Nc2 is the critical move, 11.Nxc6 is harmless. Black is theoretically OK, but he must play very accurately.
11. Nc2 is only very slightly stronger than 11. Nxc6, but it's also INCREDIBLY hard to prep and even harder to play without. I wouldn't recommend the variation to anyone below 2300 simply because the game would be decided by inaccurate calculation or incomplete prep on one side or the other rather than good chess, and even with perfect play from both sides, Black still holds in many, many lines.
Meanwhile, in 11. Nxc6 lines, White retains a small advantage in a much more human manner. Sure, Black attains equality according to the machine faster than in 11. Nc2 lines, but the play is much simpler and easier for White and Black still has to play VERY accurately, it's White with the majority of the viable choices in these lines.
Mazetoskylo wrote:
maafernan wrote:
Hi!
I play the KID as Black and I find h3 lines a bit tricky since they go out of mainlines. But apparently h3 line is not particularly worrying. Have a look at following game by young Kasparov!
Good luck!
This is different, the argument was about 5.h3, not 5.Nf3 0-0 6.h3.
Hi!
It is kind of subvariation. Anyway against 5.h3, I would go with same idea 5...0-0 6. Be3, e5 7 .d5, Na6. Now if 8. g4 (of course 8 Nf3 would transpose to the Kasparov game I quoted) then Nc5 9. Qc2, a5 looks perfectly playable for me.
Good luck!
I'm not really a big fan of the Nf3 variations, 5.h3 gives a little bit more flexibility because you can play Nf3 and g4 when either are good. For instance, against c5 Nf3 is quite good, while g4 is maybe a little dubious comparatively, although d5 is an alternative. Also @maafernan I would just say that your line is correct except for 9.Qc2. I believe this used to be an old mainline (I believe there is a Zurich 1953 game with bronstein where he played 9.Qc2) but now 9.f3 is considered the better continuation.
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Linkeroftime1 wrote:
hello, I've been looking into a way to kill the KID (as best I can) by playing for some king side attack. there are a lot of ways to do this, like with the f3 systems, Be2-Bg5/Be3, and the h3 KID. I am leaning most towards the last option, specifically h3-Be3 with g4 whenever possible and routing the knight to g3 and playing f3-h4. does anyone have any opinions on this way of playing or resources on these kind of attacks in the KID? Thanks!
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Here's a game I played over the board and won earlier today that backs up my Post #8 in this same thread.
@thrillerfan nice win, seemed like a pretty straightforward, technical win. Definitely an attractive option.
F4.
I believe the 5.Be2 6.Be3 line followed with h3 + g4 is quite hard to play against. It's a tight positional squeeze.
If you are a beginner or even at club level... why would you play the KID?
Must love punishing yourself . lol...
Main lines... ya got...
The Classical... with about 7 serious major variations (all dangerous as F%#K!... none weak sidelines)
The Samisch Orthodox, Panno.. again no weak sidelines there either.
Four Pawns Attack
Averbakh
g3 system about three systems .. Classical Yugoslave/Panno and others... again no week sidelines there either.
The London system (hard to face cause the opponent knows every nuance
The Torre system (same... as above)
The English Botvink system
Various Pirc deviations like the 150 attack
The Barry Attack...
wheeeeeewwwww that's a lot of theory just for one opening
Then as you move up in Elo... your going to have to be up on the latest and greatest trends ...
I like to Mac and Hang... and the time I have left for Chess... I'd rather work on the game of Chess... Middle game strategy, endgame technique ... combinational vision skills etc..
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Try the Petrosian variation.
1. d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.d5
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