What's the sense in playing e4 e5 as black below advanced level?

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1Lindamea1

Just why? White has TOO MANY gambits, tricks and traps, you can't be ready to everything. What do you even get in compensation for that? 

KeSetoKaiba

I actually crossed chess.com 2000 rapid rating with 1. e4 e5 as my repertoire for black. Yeah, it did have a huge variety of openings I had to be prepared for, but I knew how to handle them all in a way I was fairly comfortable with. At that time, I had previously experimented with the French Defense (for almost a year) and didn't like the middlegame structures that much for black (namely the space disadvantage I often got) and I didn't really want to play the Sicilian Defense because that was theoretical in a way I didn't like - plus a friend of mine used that opening, so from analyzing with them, I recognized that this opening wasn't really my playstyle.

Eventually, I switched from 1. e4 e5 to the Caro-Kann Defense (1. e4 c6) and that is what I play now, but the symmetry of 1. e4 e5 didn't bother me. I primarily switched because I thought the Caro-Kann might better fit my playstyle and also because with 1. e4 e5 openings, white still has a lot of control in how they steer the direction of the opening - with the Caro-Kann, at least I try to steer the game into my own territory.

Why did I play 1. e4 e5 for years then? Well, part of it is because I knew it was a lot to learn, but I was determined to just know theory more than my opponents and so I figured I'd get an advantage that way. There was also a sense of assertiveness in "I can play 1...e5 and I dare you to try and break it!"

1Lindamea1

I don't think you will know more theory than your opponent since it is a main line for him and a sideline for you. Like the Belgrade gambit, for example. You meet it 2 out of 100 games while your opponent plays it in 60 out of 100 games

Ethan_Brollier
lassus_dinnao wrote:

Just why? White has TOO MANY gambits, tricks and traps, you can't be ready to everything. What do you even get in compensation for that?

What do I get in compensation for playing against dubious gambits?
Why, free ELO of course. : )

Ethan_Brollier
lassus_dinnao wrote:

I don't think you will know more theory than your opponent since it is a main line for him and a sideline for you. Like the Belgrade gambit, for example. You meet it 2 out of 100 games while your opponent plays it in 60 out of 100 games

Sure. Why do you play Chess? Your opponent can play the Grob, and you’ll meet that 1 in 10,000 games while your opponent plays it 1 in every 2. You should still be able to trash the guy.

CaroKannEnjoyer02
Ethan_Brollier wrote:
lassus_dinnao wrote:

Just why? White has TOO MANY gambits, tricks and traps, you can't be ready to everything. What do you even get in compensation for that?

What do I get in compensation for playing against dubious gambits?
Why, free ELO of course. : )

Bro you're gonna summon gik-tally

1Lindamea1
I know that for advanced folks gambits are free elo(1986 boy approaching), but I asked specifically about beginner-intermediate players. Why would they play such an unsafe opening? For different positions? Scandi is better for that imo. You can get open and active exchange, closed and positional advance, tactical BDG and reversed budapests, counter-attacking closed variation, etc. And scandi doesn’t make you lose that one of 100 games where you meet the Halloween or vienna
1Lindamea1
MaxLeto is gonna disagree💀. Jokes aside, it is possible only if the opening is unsound. But e4 e5 positions have lots of “almost sound” openings which you can’t fully refute, and your opponent will use his superior experience and theoretical knowledge to STILL get the advantage…
satan_llama

Because it teaches you how to attack and defend.

Honchkrowabcd

Everything else besides the Sicilian defense is worse than e5

nighteyes1234
satan_llama wrote:

Because it teaches you how to attack and defend.

Yes, it has a high strategic value.

Its not about winning. I still dont know if i get some crazed bot that plays 2 Qh5.

The first time I faced that I went 2..nf6.I didnt even know that allows white to swipe a pawn.

I didnt even blink and continued on. The 4 moves checkmates et al, are annoying, but I never played french or scandi . There are people who play french or scandi to this day out of fear.