What's wrong with 1.b4?

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OldHastonian
HotFlow wrote:

Holy prams and tossing toys.

Brilliant Laughing

schlechter55
SmyslovFan wrote:

I really like the games of Carl Schlechter. He was known as the "drawing master", but he actually played a very attractive, complex style of chess. His name is associated with several openings that are still being discussed at the highest levels, including the Schelchter Slav.

I thought Schlecter was arguing both sides of a non-existent argument and I tried to point that out. 

At one point he said that white had at least equality, and later he said that Black had an easy game and the very best White could hope for is a draw. 

I see that as two different evaluations. In the first case, white has posed interesting problems for Black and can comfortably play for the win (+/= to =, or in computer terminology, +0.20-0.00) and in the other =/+ to =, 0.00 - -0.20). That isn't a large difference, but it is a critical difference. I pointed that out, and he accused me of being a weak player because I couldn't see that they are the same thing.

Ok, I am a weak player. I still don't see that they are the same.

First again, I am Schlechter, not schlecter.

Second, the whole point is, I said BLACK has at least equality, and not White.

Third, the argument that I was attacking was that White would be in a bad position. That argument was indeed existing. And it was supported with (too) short and unconvincing variants.

Fourth, smyslovfan, i am ready to take back my verdict that you would be a weak player if you just admit that you misread my posts and claimed a (nonexisting) contradiction between two of my posts.-

Coming back to the opening. I believe, Black is, IF HE PLAYS CORRECTLY, not worse, and has chances for an initiative. White, on the other hand reaches with his choice 1.b4 in many variants 'non-standard' positions where a disadvantage of -0.10 to even -0.30 for an engine means little for two humans, if one of them (the white side) is more familiar with the complex strategic battle to come.

  Note also, that such disadvantage (of -0.10 to -0.30) often disappears WITH BEST PLAY FROM BOTH SIDES. This is because the 'width of draw' in chess is so large...

May be there is also another explanation for this phenomenon: Engines calculate up to a certain horizon, after which they are drawn to an evaluation process that is based on the components: material, relative value of every piece, which is determined by the number/importance of squares that it controls. Clearly, every such evaluation procedure will fail in some concrete positions... Or in short: a position can be sooo much dynamic that a calculation horizon of 24 half moves is still insufficient to capture the essence of it. 

All in all, there is no reason to belittle the opening 1.b4:

If you don't know the strategic ideas as Black, you can end up soon in a worse position. I recommend to all of us to study the games of Peterleeflag . may be then some of us will learn to respect this opening.

Finally, let me point out that the idea to play an early  b4 (or b5 for black) appear in other opening variants, like Reti system. They were mentioned in this forum several times.

famous players of the past who tried such ideas often were Reti, Smyslov and Makagonov.

The last one introduced the following setup against Blacks King's Indian defense (that is, Nf6, g6, Bg7, d6). It consists of

d4, c4, Nf3, Nc3, e3, Be2 and b4.

schlechter55

About my name: everyone has the right to protect his privacy. That's what I do.

I mentioned my OTB rating only because I wanted to say (just once) that I am not a chess idiot. You are all of course free to believe my rating or not.

And again, my chess arguments have not been challenged by Pfren. nevertheless,  he insults me again and again.

schlechter55

Because just one person - Ironside - has defended me, I leave this forum now, in the hope to find a more fair atmosphere in others.

Irontiger
schlechter55 wrote:

Because just one person - Ironside - has defended me, I leave this forum now, in the hope to find a more fair atmosphere in others.

I did not defend your aggression towards the others.

I just mentioned that I believe you were not intentionnally trolling them, unlike some regular posters in other threads...

OldHastonian
schlechter55 wrote:

About my name: everyone has the right to protect his privacy. That's what I do.

I mentioned my OTB rating only because I wanted to say (just once) that I am not a chess idiot. You are all of course free to believe my rating or not.

And again, my chess arguments have not been challenged by Pfren. nevertheless,  he insults me again and again.

So why does your profile say you are Robert Hempel?

JG27Pyth


 
 
 
Vincent Price, ladies and gentlemen 
 

 

TetsuoShima

Vincent Price was awesome in that movie were all were trapped in a house.

steve_bute

Ah, I see the spam vultures have just caught the scent of a vulnerable discussion.

TetsuoShima
steve_bute wrote:

Ah, I see the spam vultures have just caught the scent of a vulnerable discussion.

lol

netzach
schlechter55 wrote:

About my name: everyone has the right to protect his privacy. That's what I do.

I mentioned my OTB rating only because I wanted to say (just once) that I am not a chess idiot. You are all of course free to believe my rating or not.

And again, my chess arguments have not been challenged by Pfren. nevertheless,  he insults me again and again.

You seek (as a free-member) to take issue with pfren who is open and honest about his identity whilst concealing your own?

Have never believed for a minute you are Estonian but do know this is not your first visit/persona to chess.com.

You are about as Estonian as coca-cola is.

TetsuoShima

come on dont all gang up on him thats pretty weak. Even if hes not estonian who cares, even if he is wrong or right just let it all be already. Man i feel like in a latin soap opera....

schlechter55

Where did I ('unintentionally') troll anyone. Can someone tell me ?

I am the honest one here !!!

But I am out. I am not wasting my time in a witch hunt.

pfren

Bye, and please do mind to close the door, mr Honestmann.

OldHastonian
TetsuoShima wrote:

come on dont all gang up on him thats pretty weak. Even if hes not estonian who cares, 

Certainly no worse than pretending to be Japanese...

OldHastonian
HotFlow wrote:

The End?

Apparently not. Cool

SmyslovFan
OldHastonian wrote:
TetsuoShima wrote:

come on dont all gang up on him thats pretty weak. Even if hes not estonian who cares, 

Certainly no worse than pretending to be Japanese...

Or a dead Willy.

Or an orange tabby.

steve_bute

@FirebrandX ... Assuming White has done his homework, isn't equality where Black is (likely) less knowledgable about positional themes a good thing? I would prefer that to a Sicilian or Spanish where most A-class players know book for 20 moves.

netzach
FirebrandX wrote:
steve_bute wrote:

@FirebrandX ... Assuming White has done his homework, isn't equality where Black is (likely) less knowledgable about positional themes a good thing? I would prefer that to a Sicilian or Spanish where most A-class players know book for 20 moves.

Whether you have an objective advantage in a main line or an equal position in an offbeat line shouldn't matter when facing a weaker player. You should beat them regardless. What you're eluding to is the same tired point of "surprise value", which is purely subjective in nature. If your opponent can't handle playing from a fully equal position as black, then it gives nothing to the credit of 1.b4 as you could just as easily play 1.g4 for the same effect.

In the above line I played, black doesn't have to rely on memorizing some crazy trap white has booked out on. They are just simple developing moves, and quite comfortable to make at that.

You mean ''alluding''. Right?

(or is it hide-and-seek with opponent FX??)

netzach

Not typo. Miscomprehension. Engines do not spell-check?