If I remember correctly Judit Polgar loved the benko when she was younger (like kid years)
Which Gambit would you choose
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Ok @SNUDOO the line that I think is quite close to a refutation of the Budapest is
I think all of these moves are pretty forced (others are either outright horrible or just transpositions. The final position, where Black usually plays d6, just looks like an embarrassing opening result for Black, who has less space and must combat his opponent’s Bishop pair and good pieces. White is clearly the only one playing for a win and has scored a massive 74 percent from the above position. I think the conclusion is that White can just achieve a long-term edge and almost risk-free winning chances by playing simple chess and not trying too hard to hold the pawn on e5.
Aug 10, 2020
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Black has slightly less development but:
1. Doesn't hand the bishop pair for free
2. Doesn't get doubled pawns in most of the free-bishop-pair lines. (cough, Nigel Short, cough)
3. is very solid
I used to play the Benko Gambit and it was fun and I did well but stopped when a good line was found against it. PS same thing happened--I used to play the Smith Morra but...
SNUDOO wrote:
10 Bxd2?? isn't forced.
10. Ng6! followed by Bd6! is best.
White is still much better and scores 71 (!!!!) percent after Ng6. White goes Bg3 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 and now both Ne4 and Qc2 have been played and have both scored massively. In all the positions White has more space, better development, and better pieces. The g6 knight is awful. Face it, the Budapest is just not good, giving White a risk-free advantage to press with, and there are many better tries against d4
Aug 10, 2020
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#49
FizzyBand wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:
10 Bxd2?? isn't forced.
10. Ng6! followed by Bd6! is best.
White is still much better and scores 71 (!!!!) percent after Ng6. White goes Bg3 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 and now both Ne4 and Qc2 have been played and have both scored massively. In all the positions White has more space, better development, and better pieces. The g6 knight is awful. Face it, the Budapest is just not good, giving White a risk-free advantage to press with, and there are many better tries against d4
Personally I probably will still play the Budapest for a long time coming, I just don't like the other defenses to d4.
Aug 10, 2020
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#50
In the future I might switch back to the grunfeld but right now I like the Budapest.
SNUDOO escreveu:
In the future I might switch back to the grunfeld but right now I like the Budapest.
Just out of curiosity, do you enjoy the kings indian and the modern benoni?
Aug 10, 2020
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#52
No, although I score decent with the KID and have never lost with the benoni.
SNUDOO wrote:
FizzyBand wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:
10 Bxd2?? isn't forced.
10. Ng6! followed by Bd6! is best.
White is still much better and scores 71 (!!!!) percent after Ng6. White goes Bg3 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 and now both Ne4 and Qc2 have been played and have both scored massively. In all the positions White has more space, better development, and better pieces. The g6 knight is awful. Face it, the Budapest is just not good, giving White a risk-free advantage to press with, and there are many better tries against d4
Personally I probably will still play the Budapest for a long time coming, I just don't like the other defenses to d4.
Well get ready to lose a lot of games...
Kings gambit is my favorite gambit, so artistic and romantic... I love it 
If I really had to choose a gambit for competition, it would probably be the Budapest Gambit. You are usually able to retrieve the pawn later on, and there are strange looking sidelines like the one above that might allow you to achieve equality if your opponent is unprepared.
What about the Benko Gambit??
What about next game I play 1. e4, then offer my opponent my a-pawn if I can go again. The Against the Rules Gambit. Wonder if it'd be worth it as white...
Aug 10, 2020
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#58
The Evans gambit is so favorable that alphazero likes to play it, do everything in your power to not let black castle
FizzyBand escreveu:
Ok @SNUDOO the line that I think is quite close to a refutation of the Budapest is
I think all of these moves are pretty forced (others are either outright horrible or just transpositions. The final position, where Black usually plays d6, just looks like an embarrassing opening result for Black, who has less space and must combat his opponent’s Bishop pair and good pieces. White is clearly the only one playing for a win and has scored a massive 74 percent from the above position. I think the conclusion is that White can just achieve a long-term edge and almost risk-free winning chances by playing simple chess and not trying too hard to hold the pawn on e5.
Chess.com engine gives it +0.50, which doesnt seem that bad to be honest, especially for an early gambit. The Kings Indian Defense gives +0.80 most of the time and is still pretty respected.
Aug 11, 2020
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#60
FizzyBand wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:
FizzyBand wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:
10 Bxd2?? isn't forced.
10. Ng6! followed by Bd6! is best.
White is still much better and scores 71 (!!!!) percent after Ng6. White goes Bg3 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 and now both Ne4 and Qc2 have been played and have both scored massively. In all the positions White has more space, better development, and better pieces. The g6 knight is awful. Face it, the Budapest is just not good, giving White a risk-free advantage to press with, and there are many better tries against d4
Personally I probably will still play the Budapest for a long time coming, I just don't like the other defenses to d4.
Well get ready to lose a lot of games...
Well I'll probably have to wait a couple hundred rating points first 
there are many more modern gambits that are very respectable even at the highest level.
Apart from the Marshal gambit in the Ruy Lopez, that white most often declines these days, there are also for example
These are just few examples that quickly come to mind. I'm sure there are many more.
That is really interesting, I've heard someone saying that it is really bad to gambit a pawn in the first few moves, as your opponent's position is not yet settled, but that it was pretty OK to do so later in the game. I guess those are examples of that. Also, would you put the Benko Gambit among those? I have heard a lot of people saying good things about it, despite it consisting of gambiting a pawn in the first few moves.
Benko has quite good reputation. Maybe not quite as good as the gambits I mentioned but still. Many strong players play Benko although not maybe so much at the super GM level. Not sure if there are supposed to be some small theoretical problems in some concrete variation but basically it's a sound gambit.