Which variation of QGD to play as black?

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Die_Schanze

I play the qgd since 2005 or so with a small break only, there i changed to the slav. Sadlers book was fine when i started to play it. You read much about the typical plans and structures. E. g. in the exchange variation black wants to play Bf5 with much effort sometimes or you want to play Bd6 against white setups with Bf4. Sometimes you get theses moves "for free" against inferior move orders. One of my teammates plays the exchange variation on move three instead of the optimal 3. Nc3 Nf6 (or 3.... Be7 4. cxd5) 4. cxd5 move order. After 3. cxd5?! exd5 4. Nc3 black plays 4... c6! and  has time for Bf5 and / or 5. Bf4 Bd6!. Some games went 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. cxd5?! Nxd5! with a good semi-tarrasch. 


To master the gqd you have to understand these things. White often wonders much about the kings indian, relexes too much against the qgd and then you win. happy.png

 

There are more often played sidelines today, e. g. setups with e2-e3 before Bf4/Bg5, the catalan is very popular and everything instead of 2. c4. Ntirlis book covers nearly all of that stuff and is therefore the best book on that topic, even if you don't like his mainline.

kindaspongey
CoffeeAnd420 wrote:

... I'm going to look into these links. However, ... physical books here in 2018. Much, much easier on the eyes than ...

The links are to book samples and a book review. Again, here is a game from the Move by Move book, providing some indication of what it advocates:
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1478323

kindaspongey
Die_Schanze wrote:

I play the qgd since 2005 or so with a small break only, there i changed to the slav. Sadlers book was fine when i started to play it. You read much about the typical plans and structures. ... There are more often played sidelines today, e. g. setups with e2-e3 before Bf4/Bg5, the catalan is very popular and everything instead of 2. c4. Ntirlis book covers nearly all of that stuff and is therefore the best book on that topic, even if you don't like his mainline.

Queen's Gambit Declined by Matthew Sadler (2000)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708234438/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen15.txt

Playing 1 d4 d5 by Ntirlis
https://www.chess.com/blog/pfren/playing-1-d5-d5-a-classical-repertoire
https://www.qualitychess.co.uk/ebooks/Playing1d4d5-excerpt.pdf

TwoMove

Ntirlis "Playing 1.d4 d5" is particularly good. If understand the exchange variation chapters will give your club player opponents a lot of problems. If don't like Kramnik's improved classical line nb-d7 then h6 and quick c5, can easily replace it with the Lasker, which is a lot more straightforward, or the Tartakower. Actually part of the suggested rep tranposes to a line of Tartakower with white playing Bd3, which I thought was quite testing, Could be wrong about that.

Centhron666
Fromper wrote:
Centhron666 wrote:

 You want to play chess for fun as an amateur, as most of us...so why do you want to waste your time to learn tons of theory lines...

 

As long as you dont have to earn money with Chess, stay with the Englund or play the Stonewall or try the Baltic Defence (1.d4 d5 2.c4 Bf5).

Well, this got off topic quickly. As I said above, I'm not looking for recommendations for other openings. I'm just looking for recommendations for what to do in the QGD.

 

Ironically, I've actually tried all three of those recommendations in the past, though not for very long in the case of the Baltic and Stonewall. I actually still play the Englund against lower rated opponents (below 1500 USCF, I guess). I think my record with it is 8 wins, 1 draw, no losses in slow USCF tourney play against opponents below 1600. And most of those were upsets, since I was only rated 1300 using it to beat 1500s when I first started playing it. But it's not good enough against higher rated opponents, which is why I stopped playing it when I was in the 1500s, and tried a few other things (including the Baltic and Stonewall) before settling on the Classical Dutch.

 

As for "why do you want to waste your time to learn tons of theory lines", that's actually why I chose the QGD. It doesn't require tons of memorization. It's a quiet enough opening that one false move won't kill you. There may be one or two traps here and there to remember, but that's nothing compared to sharper openings where you have to memorize tons of variations to stand any chance to get a reasonable position. And as m_n0 said, it'll teach me more about chess in general.

 

Besides, if that's your attitude towards openings, then why are you even in the openings subforum?

 

 

Hmmmm, crappy or dubious gambits, which i always play, doesnt count to "openings"?!?

 

Thats new for me...but thanks for the hint...i will contact the admin to erase all threads about the Blackmar-Diemer and the Latvian from this sub-forum evil.png

 

Beside that, i´ll manage to beat 1800+ with sidelines of the Englund (not with the boring, lame and passive main line) like the Blackburne-Hartlaub or the Soller-Gambit, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, but studying the QGD will not make you become a better chess player, but feel free to try it...

Fromper

I never said that dubious gambits or sidelines don't count as openings. I have no idea where you got that from.

 

I literally quoted your comment "why do you want to waste your time to learn tons of theory lines" and asked why you're in the opening subforum if that's your attitude towards openings. 

kindaspongey

Oddly enough, there is a fairly recent book (My First Chess Opening Repertoire for Black) that, if I remember correctly, suggests the Albin Counter Gambit as part of a way "to forge a digestible repertoire without expending too much energy on it".

https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9050.pdf

Moret also wrote, "There will always be time, later, to come to the main opening variations recommended by theory", so it would seem that it was recognised that, at some point, a player might feel ready to move on to something like the QGD.

DragonWest

I thunk the most instructive would not be the moves but on the idea behind the moves.

I have never found this in any chess book. Yes there is the narrative but not the ideas why you are taught to play a certain way. Perhaps this is impossible as it depends on the opening but surely every opening has an idea and development of that idea or am I missing something?

Fromper
DragonWest wrote:

I thunk the most instructive would not be the moves but on the idea behind the moves.

I have never found this in any chess book. Yes there is the narrative but not the ideas why you are taught to play a certain way. Perhaps this is impossible as it depends on the opening but surely every opening has an idea and development of that idea or am I missing something?

There are plenty of opening books that go over the strategic themes in the middle game (and sometimes the endgame!) that tend to come from particular openings. These days, it's only the badly written ones that don't, though in the old days, there were a lot of "database dump" books that just gave you tons of moves with minimal explanation. With everyone having computers and that stuff more readily available on the internet, those types of books are much less commonly published in the last 10 years.

ShaoniHiya

East or West orthodox defence is the best

ShaoniHiya

it is a good positional line and if u want any help on the QG ask private message me(3 dollars per question. LOL! just joking)

Farilya

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/the-lifetime-repertoire-reliable-ambitious

If this topic caught your attention, I suggest you look at the detailed article I wrote. happy.png