Who plays Grunfeld and why is it awesome?

Pulpofeira

I bet I could find better plans in Santorini...

testaaaaa

i watched an interview with georg meier after his match with magnus carlsen (carlsen was black in grunfeld and won) where meier stated that he never expected carlsen to play the grunfeld because and i quote :" white can always get a draw in the grunfeld if he wishes" then why did he loose? did he play for a win against carlsen or was he so surprised that he forgot his lines?

testaaaaa

anyone knows?

Pulpofeira

It is strange if the journalist didn't ask him the same question.

testaaaaa

The top players are often avoiding the grunfeld with some funny e3 lines allowing black to get a benoni with an extra tempo (compared to the lines where you play e4 in one go). Shows how much they respect it, its the berlin of the d4 openings.

pfren
testaaaaa έγραψε:

The top players are often avoiding the grunfeld with some funny e3 lines allowing black to get a benoni with an extra tempo (compared to the lines where you play e4 in one go). Shows how much they respect it, its the berlin of the d4 openings.

Not clearly an "extra tempo", but white has a pawn at e3 in an otherwise normal Benoni setup, which is not well-placed there. If white does not push d4-d5, then the game usually transposed to a reverse Tarrasch defence, where white's extra move isn't worth much.

 

robbie_1969

Avoiding the Grunfeld? mamas boys for sure, they should give up chess altogether.

testaaaaa

to play for a win, because the grunfeld is a draw!

robbie_1969
testaaaaa wrote:

to play for a win, because the grunfeld is a draw!

that's like saying chess is a draw

testaaaaa

nope, in the grunfeld  forcing lines end in draws, it is the berlin of the d4 games    see #142

SmyslovFan

No, the Grunfeld is nothing like the Berlin in terms of its drawing propensity. Black plays the Grunfeld to win. When a GM match player needs a draw as Black, they almost never choose the Grunfeld.

SmyslovFan

Meier's point about getting the draw was from *White's* perspective!

testaaaaa

but black cant use the grunfeld in a must win situation in gm-level if white is content with the draw?

SmyslovFan

Svidler does, but he's just about the only one.

testaaaaa

this is funny i just saw a post from you on chesspub 7 jears ago haha

testaaaaa

http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1318882642/8

SmyslovFan

Yeah, that's me. I'm glad to see that I've been consistent in the last 7 years.