Why 1)d4 d5 2)Nc3 is not a popular option?

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Avatar of NukeDrake

It seems to be a natural move order or development but there are very few games in database.

Avatar of chessterd5

Because 2. C4,... is a stronger move for white. It helps to control and support the center. Then Nc3 is usually played on the third move.

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If black plays that same move order from thier side, it is called the Chigorin defense. It is 1) d4,d5 2) c4,Nc6. Now white has three principle moves to continue. 3) Nc3 3) Nf3 and 3) e3

Avatar of Poweranony
Usually in queen’s pawn games you want to move your c pawn too, but nc3 is not bad.
Avatar of iceyww

Bc the c pawn and the d pawn are so good together

Avatar of Ethan_Brollier

Same reason the Vienna, Van Geet, Nimzowitsch, Chigorin, and other similar openings are unpopular. The c-pawn is a very useful resource, and while the knight usually wants to occupy c3, oftentimes your opponents’ moves will necessitate Nd2 or c4 Nc3 or c3 Na3 Nc2.

Avatar of sidespaghetti
Because of c4, which challenges black’s center while also building white’s own center. If white immediately plays Nc3 it blocks the possibility of c4, but Nc3 can be played after c4. In general Nc3 in this case is much less flexible than c4
Avatar of ChessIsFun314159

Normally if you play 1. d4 you intend to push the c pawn as it can also take control of the center. 2. Nc3 blocks the c pawn though

Avatar of Refrigerator321

It's not very popular because you want to move your c-pawn before your knight, but it's still playable and I actually quite like it.

Avatar of pleewo

The Jobava London is very popular especially on club level. But the reason why it’s “not so good” is because it blocks in the c-pawn which in turn negates the pressure on d5. You generally want to play c4 and only then play Nc3 for maximum central presence

Avatar of mpaetz

Because the black pawn on d5 is protected by the queen you can't threaten it with just Nc3, so playing that move before c4 decreases your ability to put pressure on black's center.